[MD] now it comes

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DMB

You had said: 
> > > ... The relationship between subjects and objects simply is not the
> > > same as the relationship between dynamic reality and static concepts
> > > (between DQ and sq).

Bo had replied:
> > Right, who claims that the S/O relationship is the same as the DQ/SQ
> > one? And moreover who says that SQ are "static concepts"? except DMB. It
> > is inorganic, biological, social  and intellectual patterns, only at
> > intellect is it reality vs concepts and if this SOM's is equalized with
> > DQ/SQ all hell is loose as it has been long in the weak camp. dmb says:

DMB again:
> Oh, for Pete's sake! I am denying the that the relationship is the same
> because hat's what you have accused me of saying they are the same. You
> repeated that charge above. If SOM is equalized with DQ/sq all hell
> breaks loose, you say. This is the position of the weak camp, you say.
> Am I am telling you that this is NOT what I'm saying. I've explained
> over and over again what I am trying to say and that is most certainly
> NOT it. 

Hold it you fool! The DQ/SQ split supersedes the Subject/Ovject split, 
we all agree about that, my accusation is that the "Quality/MOQ" meta-
metaphysics that Pirsig launced in his Summary  re-installs or mimics 
the S/O by making Quality = Reality and the MOQ a mere subjective 
interpretation of it and - here's the point - as long as you take THIS 
latter-day Pirsig uttering as valid you have equalized  - not MOQ's 
DQ/SQ, but Pirsig's new Quality/MOQ distinction with the S/O one. Try 
to understand this before hitting your keyboard.  

> I'm totally convinced that some people are simply not capable of
> discussing the MOQ and you sir are one of them. You have no business
> doing philosophy. You're even confused about the meaning of your own
> assertions! I don't mean to be cruel but life is too short, Bo. I'm
> not gonna waste my time trying to reason with unreasonable people.
> Shame on me for being fooled again. 

Right, I may not be capable of doing philosophology any more - I admit 
that - the MOQ has brought me under its spell, but as it is that we are 
here to discuss the MOQ I strike down on all deviations I can spot  and 
the "Quality/MOQ" meta-metaphysics is the worst yet encountered, 
and you Pirsig-swooners swallow it raw.

Bodvar