[MD] Babylonian intellectuals

[John Carl]

Good morning Platt,


>
> [Platt]
>
> I get the distinction, but are you also suggesting there are other modes of
> thinking besides S/O thinking? Or, does S/O thinking alone comprise
> intellect?
>
> I guess I'm asking if you belong to the school that considers mathematics,
> symbolic logic, information theory and such as thinking that has abandoned
> the
> S/O formulation. Or, do you agree with me that regardless of the mode of
> thinking, a subject doing the thinking is inescapable. Or, to put it
> another
> way, all thought is subjective thought.
>

John:

What is subjective thought?  Isn't there also what we term "Objective
thinking?"

When I think about things objectively, I'm at least trying to transcend my
self.  I'd say that even if being purely objective is rare, I wouldn't say
its impossible.  There are examples of athletic or artistic endeavor where
the sense of self drops away and one just flows with the process.  Listening
or composing music can produce this thinking.  Describing it after the fact
puts us back in the S/O world.  But in the moment we are free.

Dreams.  It just occured to me that after I wake up, my memory of my dream
is subjective, but while I'm dreaming, there is no fixed subject.  Sometimes
I dream I'm one thing, or another, an animal or another person.

 I'd also say that Bo's belief that pre-Socratic cultures were
pre-intellectual means that they were pre-S/O thinking, eh?



Platt:

>
> Agree. The higher the moral hierarchy, the stronger the ability to respond
> to
> DQ's siren call with resulting increases in flexibility and freedom. The
> upper
> levels may be discrete but still expandable.
>
>
 John:

My point has more to do with sq than DQ.  The more static formulations of
thought one has to stack in one's stack, the more possibilities of play
arise.  However, my point concerns intellectual patterns only, since
thoughts are not finitely limited by spatial or time constraints.  I can
imagine an infinity of angels dancing from the points of pens.