[MD] Natural Law

[John Carl]

omg, I can't believe I'm doing this...

John butts in:
> > Here is why your formulation of SOM=intellect falls flat, Bo. Finding a
> > base for morals in SOM is futile, because SOM is the metaphysical stance
> > that there is no such thing as objective morality.  Its all subjective
> > and relative.
>
> Right, but ALL static levels have put up a fierce resistance yet been
> transcended by a new level (with DQ a midwife) so the MOQ
> transcending intellect-as-SOM is DQ's last and final job, but also the
> hardest.
>
>

Bo, do you know how crazy that reply seems to me?  It must be the viking
blood coming out.  Fierce resistance?  WHY?  What's the big resistance
about?  Can't they be overcoming the lower level of existence, and growing
toward the light like a flower in the sunshine?  Why all this fighting and
resistance?

Hang some friggin' daisies around your prow.  Lighten up here, man.  I'm
from California.  We don't do "norwegian dour'.

And DQ as a midwife, doesn't work.  What's the force then, Who is giving
birth?  Do you know how little, a really good midwife even does?  Our last
birth, our midwife popped her head in a couple times and cleaned up the mess
afterward.  Kept guard at the door.  Is that the kind of metaphor you meant
for DQ?

Last and hardest, "MoQ transcending intellect."  Tsk, tsk. Bo.  You're
wearing your helmet upside down again.  MoQ is explicitly and definitely, a
metaphysics.  A metaphysics is a philosophy, a set of ideas about reality.
An intellectual construction, through and through.  If individuals can
achieve realizations of their existence, using this metaphysics, then
GREAT.  We have a good metaphysics.


Intellect a tool, that's in SOM where the term "intellect" means turning
> of mental wheels, but the MOQ's  4th. STATIC level is nothing of the
> kind - it is SOM itself - and this "Copernican revolution" is hard to
> grasp and makes an understanding of the MOQ so difficult.
>


SOM itself, is a metaphysical position that Subjects percieving Objects are
all there really is.  It arose from a combination of philosophical
developments that arose after the great disapointments in the great war, and
were reinforced by a very narrow pragmatism which came into play after the
continuation of that great war, WWII.  SOM is the deeper underlying
metaphysics of what could be termed "liberal humanism" that  dominated
academia and govt and society since then.  SOM is the metaphysical position
that values are subjective.  The MoQ is the metaphysical position that value
is ultimately transcendant of subject and object, and thus, in itself the
ultimate object.

Admittedly, that's my Idealistic interpretation of the MoQ, which is still
in debate.



> The full static range must be completed before the MOQ can be
> reached, it's impossible to go from the 3rd. level to the MOQ, but on
> the other hand there is as much resistance from the 4th. level to be
> transcended by the MOQ as there was (and still is) from the social
> level to be transcended by the intellectual.
>
>
Well, in your head at least.   (try that trick of wearing the helm right
side up)

Affectionately,

John