[MD] Stacks

[Krimel]

> [Krimel]
> I don't know what you are getting at here. I also don't see much
difference
> in your usage between the terms stack and level.

[Magnus]
Hang on, I'm working on a visual drawing that will hopefully clear that 
up a little.

[Krimel]
OK, I looked at your drawing and I still see no difference between the terms
level and stack as you are using them.

[Magnus]
BIOS chips doesn't even come close to a border. Come on. A BIOS chip is 
simply memory containing a computer program. Sometimes its content can't 
be changed (ROM), but most often you can change it by reflashing it with 
a new BIOS version.

Also firmware goes the same way. It's just a low level computer program 
made to provide higher level programs with the function calls required 
to use the hardware for which the firmware is written.

Both firmware and BIOS are often written in C, but of course compiled to 
assembler which is the "Machine Language Instruction Repertoire" Pirsig 
mentions in Lila. That's the stack border I'd like to use for the lower 
end of the computer stack, and it's quite crisp.

However, the computer stack *is* an artificial stack, and as such, I 
wouldn't bet on each level in it being as discrete as in the universal 
stack.

[Krimel]
The point once again is that borders are fuzzy and where you "decide" to
place something like firmware is arbitrary. 

[Magnus]
So you and James assume reality is continuous, but the fact is that it's 
not.

[Krimel]
Says who?

[Magnus]
As I've said before, you *can* find discrete level borders. If you have 
a pre big bang reality in which there's no space, no time, no mass and 
no energy. How would you extend the stuff of that reality continuously 
to construct space? It's simply not possible.

[Krimel]
There was no "reality" prior to the Big Bang.

[Magnus]
It's the same thing with other borders such as the chemical vs. 3D fit 
organic border I've suggested. If chemical laws would be ruling the 
oceans of the earth, no biological stuff would ever have evolved. It 
would just be a chemically neutral and very dead soup.

[Krimel]
Chemical law do apply in Earth's oceans. You are blowing 3D fit way out of
proportion. Chemicals, even complex molecules do no work like tinker toys
nor do they provide a level boundry.

If you really want a diagram of how levels work go out in your yard at study
closely the nearest tree. In it you will see the basic structure of all
hierarchies: Trunk, limb, branch, twig, leaf. It is the structure that
accommodates the flow of energy or  you might say the channels of DQ. It
works in 2, 3 and four dimensions.