[MD] The social and intellectual strongholds.

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Dave T, Platt, All.  
 
27 Feb. you wrote:

> Oh exalted, enlightened, great ones Bo and Platt please grant all us
> small biological fry the boon of your wisdom by answering some
> questions. In Lila there is a part that occurs in New York City.
> "The City" so called to many of it's residents. Now imagine these
> two words,close your eyes if you must, picture them inline like
> above, or stacked one one top of the other. Now imagine them in
> black, then red. Etc. This is a normal human capability. 

> 1. Fill in the blank with what level is this imagining "The City" is
> to be assigned?

 A social pattern totally dominated by intellectual value.

"The Giant" part in LILA - as an example of the social vs biology 
"code" never stuck with me. As with the "map projection" example 
Pirsig once found it mighty good, and could not resist it even if it does 
the MOQ no good. New York - like the USA and every Western 
community - is an intellect-controlled one where the laws and their 
enforcement are subject to strict intellectual limitations. The crown 
example of social value freely spending biological members is Islam 
and its demand on its devotees to sacrifice themselves in the fight 
against "western values". The fact that they do so voluntarily does not 
mean anything else that the Muslims' social component totally 
overrules their biological as our intellectual overrides the social.    


> Now change the imagining to Einstein's E=MC2
> 2. Fill in the blank with what level is this imagining is to be
> assigned?

> The Intellectual level.

> Now change the imagining to Pirsigs MoQ.
> 3. Fill in the blank with what level is this imagining is to be
> assigned?

Originally a subjective theory that - in hindsight - "took off" to become 
the system that makes all things "value patterns" and created the 
problem for those who don't understand this inside-out metaphysical 
turn.

> 4. Fill in the blank with whether the above patterns of value are
> either "internal" or "external" to the patterns of values called Bo
> and Platt?
 
For Platt and Bo the above are as "filled in". For Dave T. and other 
somists, existence is still spilt along the internal (subjective)/external 
(objective) pattern. 

> 5. Assuming the SOM system, Fill in the blank with whether the above
> patterns of value are either "subjects" or "objects."

In SOM all items in this questionnaire will be SUBJECTIVE (subject/ 
object also includes the adjectives) 

> Nearly fried,

Chicken?


Bodvar