[MD] Capitalism: my experience

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On 1 Mar 2010 at 6:57, X Acto wrote:

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Platt,
Thinking about thinking is just the beginning of a limitless trip to infinity 
and beyond. In reading your post I started thinking about thinking about 
thinking. And as I write this I'm thinking about the statement "thinking  
about thinking about thinking." It just keeps expanding ad infinitum, 
spilling out of the intellectual level into an abyss of vacuity.

Not a happy place to be. 

Ron:
 For someone who doesent like to think about thinking...I would guess 
not.
or you can call it reflection and avoid the semantic psuedo
problem.
You really do not seem to be able to make the distinction in 
meaning. This is Bodvars container logic paradox he keeps citing,
Moq in both explaining the world and being the world it explains
(what his SOL interpretation insists on) creates the violation of the 
container logic, it produces self refferential paradoxial loops in meaning
something Pirsig wished to avoid especially sinced it flew in the face of
what he was meaning in the concept of DQ/SQ.
This is just one of the many misconceptions Bodvar has based his SOL
interpetattion on. So if your assertions on self refferential statements is
to be consistent then you should also have problems with Bo's SOL.

Platt
I have no problems because the MOQ is about values, not about self-
referential statements. Those stuck in SOL try to ignore the profound 
incoherence of self-reference. (It's true there is no truth) Those who 
understand the MOQ are set free from the downward spiral into the 
abyss of vacuity.    


On 28 Feb 2010 at 20:53, John Carl wrote:

Let me clarify Platt,

Again you're confusing the intellectual level (a value level) with
> "thinking" -- a critical difference that has been discussed "a hundred
> times in a hundred ways" to quote one of my favorite contributors.
>
>

I'm not confusing the intellectual level with thinking.  It'd be closer to
say I'm  confusing the intellectual level with thinking about thinking, but
that's not the whole thing either.  Merely thinking about thinking is an
intellectual activity, but an intellectual pattern must be "sq'ed" somehow.

Thinking about thinking is the first step in formulating a theory about
thinking, and writing it down or making a song and passing it along to 
your
children and others.  When the thoughts about thoughts have been 
formalized
into a persistent and transferrable pattern, we have a 4th level pattern
phenomena.  That's what I'd call, "intellectual".  But as I've said before,
I think the 4th level would be easier to pin down and less confusing for
newbies if we called it the "philosophical level".

And now we've discussed the obvious (to me anyway) for the one 
hundred and
FIRST time.

Yay us.


John