[MD] The MOQ and Death

[Andre Broersen]

Ham to Andre,

...I don't have to "wake up to" the fact that there is only one
Absolute Essence, since that's the foundation of my philosophy,

Bovar n a later post:

DQ is part of the MOQ like Gravity is part of Newtons theory that P.
of ZAMM so correctly said.  And that the MOQ is "dynamic"
iimpossible, its DQ/SQ arrangement is absolute.

Andre:
Hi Ham, Bodvar,

There are no  'Absolutes'. This is taking a SOM static/fixed point of
view and not a MoQ, DQ/SQ point of view!!
Nagarjuna argues from between an Absolute and Nihilist position: the
Middle Way i.e.conventionally and 'from' an 'emptiness' pov. The MoQ
subscribes to these two perspectives: a dynamic and a static one.( see
Anthony's PhD).Both do not have an inherent existence. They are
dependently arisen. The Tao 'argues' in similar ways.

Quality does not have inherent existence. It is therefore 'empty'.
This does not mean that it does not exist or is 'unreal'.

Ham:
I see no inconsistency in the reality of existential birth and
Gautama's phrase "we have all dependently arisen."  However, I don't
agree with your assertion that "were not born at a certain point in
time ...and space," or your suggestion that we have not even been
born!

Andre:
In the MoQ 'we' are static patterns of value capable of responding to
DQ (inorganic,organic,social and intellectual). This view indeed
radically challenges our conceptions of 'birth' and 'death'.

Ham:
It's one thing to speculate that birth and death "don't count" in the
overall scheme of things, but quite another to dismiss the fact that
in a space/time world these events mark the beginning and end of our
existence.

Andre:
Space and time receive the same treatment in the Midde Way dialectic
and resulting perspective.

Ham to Marsha:
Andre's notion that birth and death are not processes of the
life-experience, for example, is more of an impediment than a
clarification of the nature of existence.

Andre:
I would suggest the 'impediment' lies within a s/o process thinking.
And as dmb points out 'intellect is what you use to attack SOM' and
this type of thinking.

Andre