[MD] Pirsig's revenge

[MarshaV]

From LILA:
 
“…if Quality or excellence is seen as the ultimate reality then it becomes possible for more than 
one set of truths to exist. Then one doesn't seek the absolute Truth.' One seeks instead the 
highest quality intellectual explanation of things with the knowledge that if the past is any 
guide to the future this explanation must be taken provisionally; as useful until something better 
comes along. One can then examine intellectual realities the same way one examines paintings 
in an art gallery, not with an effort to find out which one is the 'real' painting, but simply to enjoy 
and keep those that are of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence and 
we can perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in part, the result 
of our history and current patterns of values.
    (Chapter 8)
 
I believe that an ultimate 'Quality' reality is what your posts have been stressing.  A Quality reality 
where intellectual patterns, of the SOM variety, may be seen as one possible truth among many, 
or both true and false depending.  I'll happily sit under the Bo Tree.


Marsha  
 
 
 
 




> Horse, Marsha, Andre, All.
> 
> Horse said 
>> So why is it that you've done nothing to provide Craig with the 
>> ammunition to stop Strawson in his tracks?
>> According to you, the SOL will make his criticism irrelevant - to me
>> it is and always has been irrelevant, regardless of your input - and
>> yet you have failed to rise to the challenge.  
> 
> You remind me of Ron, however much I explain he will just require 
> more. Strawson's argument is that there is no SOM, and from SOM 
> seen there certainly is no S/O metaphysics, it's only from MOQ's 
> higher ground the metaphysical context is visible. No level knows the 
> Q context thus a "movement" above will be regarded as corruption of 
> own value while the lower "movement" is something to be suppressed. 
> OK, now turn to the SOL interpretation where the 4th level = the S/O 
> distinction..   
> 
> And further turn to the social - intellectual relationship where the 
> former regards intellectual value as corruption, the most striking 
> example is Islam (social value totally fossilized) that regards intellects 
> objective approach a corruption hence Al Qaeda and terrorism. Now, 
> SOM is intellectual value just as fossilized and will look to a movement 
> above itself - the MOQ -  as corruption, and most of you act as 
> intellect's "martyrs" to keep the MOQ within intellect's bounds. 
> 
> Now, the MOQ is no static level rather the system which regards 
> existence to be this value level increments. But for that to happen the 
> MOQ must "escape intellect", that is: SOM must surrender its "M" and 
> accept the position as the highest static Q level. As long as the MOQ 
> is an intellectual subset SOM rules unscathed. 
> 
> Anyway, this is is the argument that Strawson can't counter unless he 
> become an "intellectual terrorist". I recommend Craig to bring this to 
> the lecture. Of course it can't be delivered on "the spot" but  must be 
> left for Strawson to ponder.  
> 
> 
> Marsha said to Andre:
> 
>> I think the quote I provided points to the fact that all philosophical
>> explanations of Quality are difficult and tend to be complicated, and
>> personally, it's for this reason that I agree with Bo that the
>> Intellectual Level is the SOM level and that there is an emerging Quality
>> Reality above.
> 
> You bet it's complicated. Any "from the hip" answers are next to 
> impossible. As said it's not every day a new reality is born. It may be 
> compared to a modern day person (intellectual level) being 
> "transported" back to the Stone Age (social level) and (after having 
> learned the language) were to explain the present day reality to the  
> Horses, DMBs, Andres, Rons, Magnuses ....phew! Only a single 
> Marsha seeing the light ;-)    
> 
> Andre:
>>> Hi Marsha,Horse. Contrary to Bodvar I never postulated a level that
>>> claims that, 'to make your relationship succesful you have to beat your
>>> girlfriend'. (to use your example Marsha)
> 
> I don't propose any static level, but that the MOQ is the reality that 
> contains the levels and thus can't be contained by any of them, one 
> must be a  .... (censored) not to see that. 
> 
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> Bodvar
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