[MD] William James a wrong track..

[Joseph Maurer]

On 3/10/10 4:10 PM, "X Acto" <xacto at rocketmail.com> wrote:

Hi Joe
I believe do, re, mi is a evolutional pattern which flux
within time and space while the sensation arriving at my throat
tingles with biological patterns in evolution, the notes
cannot fully be contained by language but MUST
be the 5th static level

a smile is evolutionary milk shines involuntary
and flowers speak of ignorance horseflies moan in silence and buttercups
file tax reports
-Ron
 
Hi Ron,

Your words are so beautiful they bring tears to my eyes.  The place of music
and sex in the social order are so individual, I must envision an emotional
order evolving after the organic 2 (procreation by a sperm cell penetrating
the cell wall of the egg and combining with the egg cell).   I see the
social order as the imposition of the intellectual order trying to collar DQ
emotions in a rational framework where they lose something in being defined.

Joe

> Hi Joe
> I believe do, re, mi is a evolutional pattern which flux
> within time and space while the sensation arriving at my throat
> tingles with biological patterns in evolution, the notes
> cannot fully be contained by language but MUST
> be the 5th static level
> 
> a smile is evolutionary milk shines involuntary
> and flowers speak of ignorance
> horseflies moan in silence and buttercups file tax reports
> -Ron
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Joseph Maurer <jhmau at sbcglobal.net>
> To: "moq_discuss at moqtalk.org" <moq_discuss at moqtalk.org>
> Sent: Wed, March 10, 2010 5:24:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [MD] William James a wrong track..
> 
> On 3/10/10 11:14 AM, "skutvik at online.no" <skutvik at online.no> wrote:
> 
> <snip>
> Mystical raptures like religious ones are always combined with
> overwhelming emotions and emotions cannot fully be conveyed by
> language, sensation not at all, while philosophical insights are
> "conceptual" from the outset and can ONLY be conveyed by
> language.      
> <snip>
> 
> Hi Bo and all,
> 
> Imho emotions are DQ.  There is no individual organ to receive emotions.  I
> perceive emotions as a level in evolution.  The whole organic being changes
> like from happy to sad, and emotions can change ideas from positive to
> negative etc.. Emotions are DQ only.  I agree only analogies and metaphors
> describe emotions.  Emotions convey philosophical insights like DQ.  I don¹t
> know how DQ is conceptualized to SQ from an emotional point of view without
> appealing to a dynamic/static, undefined/defined perceptive/conceptive
> description of reality?
> 
> There is a physical pressure on organs receiving sensations and I do not
> know why you place sensations outside of language?  I think hot or cold is a
> sensation.  The interpretation of the vibration from the organ is either
> true or false and can be conveyed in language.  I agree DQ is indefinable
> and is not a conception but a direct perception.  There is always room for
> error in speech, which is conceptualized, SQ, rather than perceived, DQ.
> The logic of mathematics requires 1 to be defined, so mathematics is always
> conceptualized and its logic is subject to verification by perceived
> experience.
> 
> Joe
> 
>> Mystical raptures like religious ones are always combined with
>> overwhelming emotions and emotions cannot fully be conveyed by
>> language, sensation not at all, while philosophical insights are
>> "conceptual" from the outset and can ONLY be conveyed  by
>> language.      
> 
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