[MD] atheistic and content

[MarshaV]

On Mar 12, 2010, at 6:30 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:

> Hi Marsha, gav, et al
> 
> I thought gav's summing was pretty good.
> I tend to say non-theistic - not recognizing any need for objective
> division into individuals (I, god or gods) to use your language - but
> nevertheless an acceptance of the mystical in the whole (kinda
> Spinoza's pantheism in gav's suggestion).
> 
> Then (as gav also suggests) there is no reason to take any
> particularly "anti" theist position - at least not as a matter of
> principle - we will still of course want to take exception to specific
> things particular theists and theisms do and say.
> 
> That sound about right ?

No!   Doesn't sound right to me at all.   This sounds right to me:

"The MOQ would add a fourth stage where the term "God" is completely 
dropped as a relic of an evil social suppression of intellectual and Dynamic 
freedom. The MOQ is not just atheistic in this regard. It is anti-theistic."
   (Pirsig, Copleston Annotations)


> 
> I think it gets interesting again - given that acceptance of the
> mystical - when we start to talk about the nature of belief and (that
> dreaded word) faith. (ie in what and on what basis)

The mystical doesn't need to be accepted on faith, it can be
directly experienced to various degrees.  Even the most basic 
direct experience can wipe away much of the fog.   
  

Marsha

 
 
 
 

> On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 12:14 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
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>> I've always  thought of the moq as an atheistic, anti-thesitic place where
>> I might be a religious person who doesn't believe in god, or better yet,
>> a place without such divisions as I and god.
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