[MD] William James a wrong track..

[X Acto]

anyone who is close to the earth and close to animals knows that they exhibit emotion
and personality and can detect yours as well. I base this on personal experience.



----- Original Message ----
From: John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Fri, March 12, 2010 3:44:00 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] William James a wrong track..

DaveT preaches:

> "Tomkins believes that faces-even faces of horses-held valuable clues to
> inner emotions and motivations."


Horses.

Horses are a great teaching tool about the fact of emotions in
non-humans.  I  read a sci fi book once where the matriarch of the
colony imported horses because she believed that full human potential
needed such experiences- relating to non-human emotional beings,  for
fully realized development.

Royce also makes that point.

And there's nothing like sitting on the back of a 1700 pound beast, to
make you pay attention to what its feeling.  Horse sense is all about
emotional intelligence, and nothing else.

I've said it before, but it bears repeating, emotions are socially
caused,  biologically expressed.  When somebody or something threatens
the aware self (a social construct),  biological chemicals react to
that awareness and cause the expressions of heart-beating, flush-faced
reaction.  But some sort of ego is needed to perceive any "biological"
threat and the only way I can see to have any sort of "self" is
through relation with "other".

Biological threat.  God I'm tired of that term.  What is a biological
threat, anyways?  Is starvation?  Drowning? Eaten by a bear?  Is it
just a term for "fear of biological death?"  It doesn't make sense to
me, the way it's used on this forum, as if "biology" was out there
lurking, ready to kill us.   Biology is the life force, not the death
force.  That's as bad as those christians with their doctrine of
"fallen nature".

Eww...  a spider.



>
>  Now what is
> really interesting is that they found out that by consciously performing
> certain facial groups that indicate sadness, fear, anger provoked biological
> responses such as increased heart rate, flushing, sweating hands, etc. And
> if held long enough elicited the felt emotion in them. By making a "happy
> face" and holding it long enough they actually felt happy. Different
> research groups around the world have done large scale studies and confirmed
> many of their findings.
>


So by manipulating the biological expression, you can create the
actual emotional (thus social) reaction.  I'm not surprised.  But
such an experiment is not a Normal thing,  It is not, THE Way THings
are SuPPOsed to BE.

It is a human-created, virtual reality, and there's a lot of that out
there these days, causing palms to go all sweaty over the latest and
greatest american idolatry.

ewww, indeed.



John the spider lover

John
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