[MD] DMB and Me

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Andre my child.

24 March:

I had said to Dave T. 
> This gets a bit ridiculous, the MOQ postulates the DQ/SQ dualism
> (the fact that both are different aspects of the same underlying
> Quality can be no issue) Then there is no immediate experience more
> immediate than DQ unless we have some "trinity". In the train analogy
> the locomotive and the cars he calls Classic Quality  (he actually
> says classic knowledge but it must be Quality, no?) while the leading
> edge is Romantic Quality. This can safely be translated into DQ/SQ ...
> no?

> He actually says that the tracks are Quality, but that's a goof, if so
> we have the "trinity" again like in the "Quality/MOQ" meta-metaphysics
> where the big QUALITY becomes the leading edge, the train = SQ and the
> track = the "static DQ" of the MOQ. Your "immediate experience
> containing both DQ and SQ" is a variety of this monstrosity. God what
> a pathetic show just to avoid the MOQ.

Andre:
> Actually I think you contradicted yourself here Bodvar. In the first
> paragraph you say about the DQ/SQ dualism: 'the fact that both are
> different aspects of the same underlying Quality can be no issue'. This
> is my understanding as well,

Good. As in the example of liquid and frozen states, it was the fact that 
both are water I meant was "no issue", it is the DIFFERENCE that 
counts.

> but then in the second paragraph you chide Pirsig for calling the
> tracks 'Quality' and label this statement a 'goof'. The tracks are the
> Quality 'upon' which the static quality patterns 'ride'. They are, as
> you say: 'the same underlying Quality'

I think he should have left the "leading edge" as the DQ metaphor and 
the train the SQ ditto, not introduced a still bigger Quality that the 
DQ/SQ "rides on" ... the pesky QUALITY/MOQ meta-metaphysics 
again. .  

> And the leading edge is the place where all the 'friction' occurs, all
> the action is. The meeting of the locomotive (with all the boxcars)
> 'causing' sparks of Dynamic Quality to 'fly up' and challenge the
> direction of the locomotive. The point of infinite possibilities.
> And,the analogues the locomotive has already gathered,will determine
> its direction.This will be based on the evaluations of these 'infinite
> possibilities'. 

Nice embroidery, but that's all!

> So, from a static perspective you have the DQ/SQ interplay, the dance
> of Lila. From a Dynamic perspective you have pure experience.DQ. 

Dynamic Quality  (of the MOQ) is "pure experience", to postulate some 
Quality still more dynamic than DQ threatens the MOQ 

> in hope that this post will arrive in a more presentable state than
> the last one. Let's just say that Mozilla and I are getting to know
> each other.

Your posts have always been impeccable, wish the content were ;-)
My trouble is the connection with my server so the Mozilla Thunderbird  
didn't help.

Bodvar