[MD] Hoy stoves and those who sit on them

[John Carl]

On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Joseph Maurer <jhmau at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

John
> > Where evolution proposes individuation, Valuation proposes a judgement.
> Without a thumbs up from valuation, the individual fades.  I don't see this
> as
> individuality trumping DQ.  Just the opposite.
>
> Joe
> Evolution proposes individuation in the definition of an individual within
> a
> level of existence. 1 has to be defined before the logic of mathematics SQ
> can function.  Imho individuation comes before 1 and before DQ
>
>

Ok.  I'm really confused now.  I thought indviduation WAS conceptualization
of "1".  Reliant upon conception of otherness valued as "many", without
which "1" can't even be conceieved.  Therefore, for Individuation or 1 to
exist, valuation and otherness are both implicitly necessary.  A fundamental
trio.





> Joe previously:
> >> The individual exists.  DQ exists in the individual.  I was
> flabbergasted at
> the dependent role that DQ plays to ³individuality².  There is no way of
> knowing
> DQ apart from the
> ³individual².
>
>
> John
> > Well all this doesn't seem too flabbergasting to me. More like, "duh".
> But
> that's probably because of the murky waters problem of not even
> understanding
> what you're saying much of the time.
> >
>


> > As far as DQ's dependency on individuality, it's a mutual thing, not a
> hierarchical, but absolutely I agree that its a co-dependent relationship,
> and
> without the individual to embody values, there would be no values to see.
>
> Joe
> I don’t know how to ask a question, John, about “individuation” coming
> before DQ?  Is there an analogy between the logic of a defined 1
> establishing the logic for 2,3,4,etc. and undefined DQ establishing a logic
> for evolution, SOL? If I say yes then what is prior to DQ?  I am at a loss
> for words so I say ‘individuality’ necessary to DQ. Individuality and DQ
> become separated.
>


But... "individuality necessary" logically implies a higher unified dualism
- it takes relationship of the two for realization of either.

Or anything, really.