[MD] Hot stoves and those who sit on them

[John Carl]

Frustrated Andre,


On Sun, Mar 28, 2010 at 8:16 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Dear MoQ'ers,
>
> As some of you know, my circumstances in where I live and work are not
> optimal. Frustration gallore.
> The Discuss was for me a stimulating diversion, but it has become a bit
> tedious of late.


Yes, I've noticed this complaint of yours quite frequently, Andre.  It
usually saddens me a bit, but at the same time makes me a bit grumpy.  I've
even asked you before what you think the problem is, what you think is
needed.  But you never respond to those kinds of querys so I guess we'll
just have to leave it at nebulous guessing.




> I can identify with
> the MoQ as Pirsig has formulated it. Of course this is not everyone's
> experience, but let's just say that I am
> getting tired of having to defend Pirsig against himself. Rarely have I
> given my own reading of the MoQ.
> I have always tried to back it up with quotes from ZMM, LILA and LC.
>
>
So I'm guessing, the ideal MD for you would be a collective of Pirsigian
clones?  All having absorbed the gospel according to bob (as understood by
Andre) and skilled in rehashing over and over...

and over?

Since you see a degradation (constantly) perhaps you perceived it as being
more of a Pirsigian Collective in the past, from which it has now fallen to
its current lowly estate.

I've heard it all before.  I grew up in a fundamentalist faith, which always
decried the degradatoin of the values of old into the current paradigm of
the now.  It never made much sense to me then and it doesn't make much sense
to me now.

If you want to read some quality writing, well then,  contribute some.

If you just wanna whine about other people's lack of quality, I gotta wonder
why.  Is it a manipulative technique?  Or is it more, the bitching of an
immature child who  is incapable of  creating the reality s/he  desires, and
thus  whose only recourse is to tug on mommy's skirts and whine, "make it
better".

Don't be offended.  It's just nebulous guessing.




> So many objections, other interpretations etc.
>
> That is fine. Don't get me wrong.



Fine?  That makes no sense.  How can you complain about the very thing
making you leave, and in the same sentence, call it "fine"?

And "getting you wrong" is inevitable I'm afraid.  Its what we humans do to
one another constantly.  Getting each other aright is an arduous task of
discussion, interpretation, feedback and correction.  It takes gumption.
For instance, right now I hear through your words a lot of gumption drainage
on your part over your situation in China - the world's biggest collective -
so I can see where you'd wanna take your frustrations out on some other
reachable entity - MD for instamce. by withholding or "punishing".  (Sylvia
- Do you think perhaps he's 'punishing'?  Narrator -"lets just say he's
being a little shit.")



So what I feel when a contributor drops by the wayside is best summarized by
a scene from one of my favorite movies, the Razor's Edge.  It was another
little piece of hollywood improv that wasn't in Somerset Maughm's classic
novel, but was great, nevertheless.  I think I've shared it before, but what
the hell, Bo repeats himself constantly so why not.

The hero of the movie, Bill Murray, is an ambulance attendant in WWi, the
"great" war.  His partner and sarge is played by brian doyle murray, his
real life brother.  I guess a job picking up the wounded, dying and dead is
an ideal incubator for what is termed "gallows humor" and these two share a
common joke whenever somebody they really knew and cared about is killed
"he won't be missed".  They say this after repeating all the annoying habits
which the person now gone used to do to irritate those around him.

Trench warfare, foxholes, tight quarters and mud, blood and shelling the
crucible in which is  a lot of resentment against those closest to you is
bound to be cooked up.  A lot like boarding school in some regards.

The final scene of that war was when his partner gets killed, and he has to
recite the speech, which is usually delivered deadpan, but this time (and
you wonder to yourself if the part being played by his brother helps him
emote properly too) with tears in his eyes...

"He won't be missed."


> I just do not have the intellectual garbage to say things coherently and
> doing
> justice to the MoQ and Mr. Pirsig at the same time.
>
> Just very tired at present.
>
> So I'll say goodbye for a while.
>
> Take care,
> Yours sincerely
> Andre