[MD] Hot stoves and those who sit on them

[Joseph Maurer]

On 3/28/10 11:10 AM, "MarshaV" <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I'd like to add this quote to the other two.  I interpret it as indicating
> that the 
> evaluation, or truth, of the Quality experience is relative to an individual's
> "static pattern of life history" combined with DQ (context).
> 
>  
> 
> "The reason there is a difference between individual evaluations of quality
> is that although Dynamic Quality is a constant, these static patterns are
> different for everyone because each person has a different static pattern of
> life history. Both the Dynamic Quality and the static patterns influence his
> final judgment. That is why there is some uniformity among individual value
> judgments but not complete uniformity."
>    (RMP, SODV)
> 
> I think that these are three powerful quotes.
> 
> I suppose I might here define the 'individual' as a unique flow of static
> patterns
> dependent on that life history, combined with unpatterned experience.  I can
> easily understand this life history as karma.
>  
> What do you think?
>  
> Marsha

Hi Marsha V and All,

I have tried to use Evolution as a reason for difference.  It seems that
³individuality² is more constant than DQ.  Imho  undefined DQ at each level
of evolution is a different level.  DQ individualizes in Pirsig¹s thinking 4
levels in evolution.  Esoteric literature uses 7 levels for evolution using
the model of the sound octave for differing levels to cross.

Joe
 
> On Mar 28, 2010, at 12:04 PM, MarshaV wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Andre,
>> 
>> I certainly will miss your Buddhist wisdom.  But I cannot help but wonder
>> about 
>> the expression of your "having to defend Pirsig against himself" , especially
>> when RMP talks in ZMM of explanations being both true and false, and in
>> LILA of more than one set of truths.
>> 
>> 
>> "Any philosophic explanation of Quality is going to be both false and true
>> precisely 
>> because it is a philosophic explanation. The process of philosophic
>> explanation is 
>> an analytic process, a process of breaking something down into subjects and
>> predicates. What I mean (and everybody else means) by the word quality cannot
>> be broken down into subjects and predicates. This is not because Quality is
>> so 
>> mysterious but because Quality is so simple, immediate and direct."
>>    (ZMM, Chapter 20)
>> 
>> 
>> ³Šif Quality or excellence is seen as the ultimate reality then it becomes
>> possible 
>> for more than one set of truths to exist. Then one doesn't seek the absolute
>> Truth.  
>> One seeks instead the highest quality intellectual explanation of things with
>> the 
>> knowledge that if the past is any guide to the future this explanation must
>> be taken 
>> provisionally; as useful until something better comes along. One can then
>> examine 
>> intellectual realities the same way one examines paintings in an art gallery,
>> not with 
>> an effort to find out which one is the 'real' painting, but simply to enjoy
>> and keep those 
>> that are of value. There are many sets of intellectual reality in existence
>> and we can 
>> perceive some to have more quality than others, but that we do so is, in
>> part, the 
>> result of our history and current patterns of values.
>>  (LILA, Chapter 8)
>> 
>> ---  
>> 
>> Maybe I'm fortunate to have painting to totally distract me when I get
>> feeling stuck.
>> For instance, I have started painting, from an old etched print, a gypsy
>> woman seriously
>> playing a guitar.  It is an impossible task, I love to paint.  -  What do you
>> love to do?
>> 
>> I've often wanted to ask people, how does the MoQ make their lives better?
>> Abstract 
>> thinking about metaphysical subject matter is wonderful, but has it changed
>> your life?  
>> 
>> 
>> Peace be with you Andre.
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha 
>>  
>> On Mar 28, 2010, at 11:16 AM, Andre Broersen wrote:
>> 
>>> Dear MoQ'ers,
>>> 
>>> As some of you know, my circumstances in where I live and work are not
>>> optimal. Frustration gallore.
>>> The Discuss was for me a stimulating diversion, but it has become a bit
>>> tedious of late. I can identify with
>>> the MoQ as Pirsig has formulated it. Of course this is not everyone's
>>> experience, but let's just say that I am
>>> getting tired of having to defend Pirsig against himself. Rarely have I
>>> given my own reading of the MoQ.
>>> I have always tried to back it up with quotes from ZMM, LILA and LC.
>>> 
>>> So many objections, other interpretations etc.
>>> 
>>> That is fine. Don't get me wrong. I just do not have the intellectual
>>> garbage to say things coherently and doing
>>> justice to the MoQ and Mr. Pirsig at the same time.
>>> 
>>> Just very tired at present.
>>> 
>>> So I'll say goodbye for a while.
>>> 
>>> Take care,
>>> Yours sincerely
>>> Andre
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