[MD] Hot stoves and those who sit on them

[John Carl]

Good Morning Marsha,

It's snowing!  Fairly rare for here.  Enough to notice anyway...

On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 1:55 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> I want to make one point is that according to the MoQ, "Reality" is just
> as
> > undefinable as Quality, eh?
>
> Yes.  Reality=Quality, and from my experience Quality is unpatterned
> experience
> and patterned experience.
>
>
>
Patterned plus unpatterned pretty much covers everything, I'd say.  But
isn't there something special about the term Quality, which implies a
transcendance over mere "reality".  I mean, if it's just a word for Reality,
then why bother?  Call ourselves "Metaphysicians of Reality",  and call it a
day.




>
> > So don't make an ambiguous assumption on the meaning of reality in that
> > SOM definition and equate it with what the MoQ is saying about Reality.
>
> I'm not clearly understanding your complaint???
>
>

The main point I was making is in the subtle transference of  meaning of
reality from a Q context to a SOM one in the same equation.  But it's not
really a complaint so much as a "hmmmm"  - ponder.




> > Well, I agree intellectual can only mean formalized s/o, as you say.  I
> just
> > disagree that the 4th level is intellectual.  I guess I'd have to appeal
> to
> > a higher authority on that.
> >
> > Is there such a thing as "higher authority"?
>
>
>
> Statically I assume there may be many:  James, Rorty, Dewey, Royce, Pierce,
> Aristotle, Plato, Joseph Campbell, Wikepedia, etc., etc., etc.,,,,    Take
> your pick.
> Did I miss anyone?
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
Yeah!  The guy I was thinking of was mr R.M.P himself who came up with the
names and the levels.   But it raises interesting questions in my mind as to
whether we as a group can decide things for ourselves, seeing freshly for
ourselves what is good and what is not good, without appeals to authority
figures.

That's an ongoing debate that isn't discussed much.

I'll be home for lunch today and I'll post some more then, for now, I'm off
to trudge through the snow.

j