[MD] Pirsig's theory of truth

[Steven Peterson]

Hi Ian,

Ian:
> First point the one you didn't get ...
> You had said
> "I agree that it is indeed the same thing to assert that something is
> true and to assert that you are justified in believing that same
> something."
>
> I said politely, no, you're not agreeing because I didn't say it was
> "the same thing" - I said they are different conversations, one
> useless (without quality), one useful (with quality).

Steve
Let X be any assertion. I don't see any difference between "Ian says
that X is true" and "Ian says he believes that X." In other words,
when you say you believe something it goes without saying that you
believe it is true. I have no idea where your with/without Quality
comes into play here.



>
> Quoting Pirsig to Ant you said
> "For purposes of MOQ precision let’s say that [the assertion "X
> is true" is true if and only if X is true."]" This answer would fit
> his desire to stay with the usual dictionary definitions wherever
> possible, and also have that grumpy edge we might expect in response
> to such a question."
>
> Grumpy ? Huh ? Surely that is Bob's little joke !
> To show how useless a definition of truth is. I can hear him chuckle
> as he writes it.

Steve:
To be clear, that "quote" was adapted from remarks he gave in LC about
defining intellect. It was my imagined response from RMP.



Ian:
> Anyway, I'm still a little baffled at your agenda with DMB here, maybe
> I'm outta touch ... your rhetoric is weird ...

Steve:
No way, my rhetoric is sparkling.

Ian:
>
> "all this is a problem for A who wants to dismiss X as simply YZ"
>
> Problem, wants, dismiss, simply ... ? Really loaded stuff.
> I need to back out and let DMB answer you, but I'm not hearing him say
> what you imply.


Steve:
If you aren't hearing it from DMB, then you just haven't been
listening. Based on what you have said in your previous post, you and
DMB strongly disagree about truth. For example, if you think that
quote I made up could conceivably have come from RMP, then you and DMB
have a lot to talk about.

Best,
Steve