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[MarshaV]

You are entitled to your opinion... 
  
     

On May 12, 2010, at 2:13 PM, david buchanan wrote:

> Okay Marsha, but just between you and me, I think you have devolved into a cranky bullshitter, into a spewer of mean-spirited nonsense. What you're doing is intellectually irresponsible and immoral and I'm disgusted by it. I also think it's a good thing that you don't care what I think.
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> > From: valkyr at att.net
> > Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 10:21:36 -0400
> > To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> > Subject: Re: [MD] e: Reading & Comprehension
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> > Dmb,
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> > Have a good time. It bothers me not. I have gotten quite good at ignoring my own thoughts, I should have not trouble with yours. 
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> > Marsha
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> > On May 12, 2010, at 9:55 AM, david buchanan wrote:
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> > > Marsha said to dmb:
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> > > Exactly right??? Right! There is nothing for me to say. I need a long hike on a quiet trail.
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> > > dmb says:
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> > > On what basis does your "I need" of hikes with quiet exist? By mistaken identity!
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> > > Sorry, but humor and mockery seems like the only proper response. There is nothing for you to say, I think, because you've adopted a position that can't be defended by anybody. 
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> > > Conventional reality is taken literally and ontologically, whereas it should be understood as merely a pretty good hypothesis. But, as Woody Allen observed, conventional reality is still the only place where you can get a good steak. I mean, the MOQ is supposed to be about improving the quality of life. How is that cause served by equating SOM with intellect? It's not. It is undermined and FUBAR by that equation. 
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> > > As I see it, you and Bo and the other subscribers are engaged in a kind of intellectual vandalism. Barbarians!
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> > >> Thanks Dave.
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> > >> Marsha
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> > >> On May 12, 2010, at 12:01 AM, david buchanan wrote:
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> > >>> Marsha asked dmb:
> > >>> On what basis does your "I think" of agreement with Arlo exist? By mistaken identity!
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> > >>> dmb says:
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> > >>> If you think "I" cannot agree without basing it on SOM, then you are one seriously mixed up cat.
> > >>> Now anyone who uses a personal pronoun is committed to the notion that reality is made up of two ontologically separate categories? If that's not reaching, Lance Armstrong was the first man on the moon. 
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> > >>>>> Arlo said (repeatedly):
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> > >>>>> .., if all intellectual patterns are SOM, what exactly was Pirsig lamenting in ZMM? If "intellect" can be nothing else but SOM, then what's the beef with Aristotle? And those Sophists, they were peddling SOM too.
> > >>>>> ... I think that calling "intellect" nothing but SOM achieves this. It puts intellect as a whole as a cancerous element atop society, it makes "intellect" at best something to be overcome in an otherwise harmonious evolution. Of course intellect should have moral dominance over society, but I think Pirsig's point of asking "was this the pattern intellect was going to run with?" shows that intellect-as-SOM is the problem.
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> > >>>>> dmb says:
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> > >>>>> I think that's exactly right. SOM is the flaw, the disease and is not to be confused with the patient. That's what happens when you equate SOM with the intellect level; instead of saying the patient HAS cancer you say the patient IS cancer. You don't have to be a doctor to see what a huge mistake that is. 
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