[MD] e: Reading & Comprehension

[John Carl]

Marsha,

Please consider the following dialogue carefully and reconsider the
formulation you posted.  Is Quality Static?

Copleston:

Is man merely a child of Nature?

Pirsig:

Yes. Quality is nature.

Copleston:

Or is there in him a spiritual principle which makes knowledge possible,
whether it be knowledge of Nature or moral knowledge?�

Pirsig:

The MOQ says there is no spiritual principle in man that makes knowledge
possible. Nature does the whole job.

On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:57 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:

> Hello John,
>
> I think that nature is one of the most dynamic static patterns,
> but it's still pattern applied to DQ.
>
>
> Marsha
>
>
>
>
> On May 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, John Carl wrote:
>
> > Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.
> >
> > Nature is a static pattern?  Then you believe everything is.  I can't
> > imagine anything more dynamic than  nature.
> >
> > At least the nature we have here in California, but I'm quite sure its
> the
> > same everywhere.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Ian,
> >>
> >> I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature'
> is
> >> a static pattern of value, not an absolute.  No matter how forceful he
> >> states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it
> >> fully.  I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he
> was
> >> discussing 'thinking'.  There is something in the way he uses the
> >> word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Just this morning I was thinking about my earlier discussion with Horse
> and
> > Arlo on the dividing line between intellect and intelligence, and how
> that
> > fits with know-how vs. know-that and it sems very clear to me this
> morning
> > that know-how is intelligence and know-that is intellect.
> >
> > An amoeba knows how to avoid a puddle of acid, but it doesn't know that
> it's
> > avoiding a puddle of acid.  Know-how is biological and know-that is
> human.
> >
> > Doesn't it all just sort of dovetail together nicely?  I feel like I'm
> > getting a really solid metaphysical understanding (know-that) here.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at
> >> what patterns represent, their category or function.  I can all too
> >> easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood.  But I'm
> >> curious to thoroughly understand how it works.  If I can.  It is not
> >> unimportant to the way lives are lived.
> >>
> >> Am I weird?
> >>
> >
> >
> > Compared to normal people, probably.  Compared to me and others on MD,
> no.
> >
> > Chopping Wood?  Today is the day for gardening.  Nature beckons!
> >
> > take care,
> >
> > John
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
> >>
> >>> Arlo, Marsha,
> >>>
> >>> Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is -
> >>> the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that
> >>> his sentences start with IF ?
> >>>
> >>> Just logical consequences of the statements of others.
> >>>
> >>> Ian
> >>>
> >>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu>
> wrote:
> >>>> [Marsha]
> >>>> The
> >>>> lament
> >>>> is
> >>>> based
> >>>> on
> >>>> a
> >>>> misconception:
> >>>> that
> >>>> entities (self & object)
> >>>> exist
> >>>> independently.
> >>>>
> >>>> [Arlo]
> >>>> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this
> is
> >> NOT
> >>>> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect.
> >>
> >>
> >>
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