[MD] e: Reading & Comprehension

[MarshaV]

Hi Platt,

More and more I'm thinking you, Bo and Ham are the MoQ'ers 
that make the most sense to me, not politically though.  Andre, 
Frank and Ron seem to be off the deep end.  

Marsha




On May 16, 2010, at 11:41 AM, plattholden at gmail.com wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> 
> Right. DQ doesn't mean change per se. Many static patterns change constantly. 
> Like S/O intellect that changes to support an individual's preconceived beliefs 
> or to justify one's allegiance to the prevailing "feel-good" social patterns. 
> DQ is about betterness, not the waxing and waning of the moon. 
> 
> Platt   
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 16 May 2010 at 10:57, MarshaV wrote:
> 
> Hello John, 
> 
> I think that nature is one of the most dynamic static patterns, 
> but it's still pattern applied to DQ.  
> 
> 
> Marsha
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 16, 2010, at 10:04 AM, John Carl wrote:
> 
>> Marsha, Marsha, Marsha.
>> 
>> Nature is a static pattern?  Then you believe everything is.  I can't
>> imagine anything more dynamic than  nature.
>> 
>> At least the nature we have here in California, but I'm quite sure its the
>> same everywhere.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 10:25 PM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Ian,
>>> 
>>> I'm not sure how I responded to is "NATURE is intellect", but 'nature' is
>>> a static pattern of value, not an absolute.  No matter how forceful he
>>> states it, I'm not going to take anything as a given until I consider it
>>> fully.  I was discussing a level of patterns, and I had the feeling he was
>>> discussing 'thinking'.  There is something in the way he uses the
>>> word 'intellect' that makes me think it's about thinking in general.
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Just this morning I was thinking about my earlier discussion with Horse and
>> Arlo on the dividing line between intellect and intelligence, and how that
>> fits with know-how vs. know-that and it sems very clear to me this morning
>> that know-how is intelligence and know-that is intellect.
>> 
>> An amoeba knows how to avoid a puddle of acid, but it doesn't know that it's
>> avoiding a puddle of acid.  Know-how is biological and know-that is human.
>> 
>> Doesn't it all just sort of dovetail together nicely?  I feel like I'm
>> getting a really solid metaphysical understanding (know-that) here.
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> One can look at all patterns as 'conceptions', or one can look at
>>> what patterns represent, their category or function.  I can all too
>>> easily toss it all off to conceptual vapor, and go chop wood.  But I'm
>>> curious to thoroughly understand how it works.  If I can.  It is not
>>> unimportant to the way lives are lived.
>>> 
>>> Am I weird?
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Compared to normal people, probably.  Compared to me and others on MD, no.
>> 
>> Chopping Wood?  Today is the day for gardening.  Nature beckons!
>> 
>> take care,
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 16, 2010, at 1:02 AM, Ian Glendinning wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Arlo, Marsha,
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha, is your problem reacting to Arlo saying this is how it is -
>>>> the insulting schoolmasterly impression - because you are missing that
>>>> his sentences start with IF ?
>>>> 
>>>> Just logical consequences of the statements of others.
>>>> 
>>>> Ian
>>>> 
>>>> On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 9:14 PM, Arlo Bensinger <ajb102 at psu.edu> wrote:
>>>>> [Marsha]
>>>>> The
>>>>> lament
>>>>> is
>>>>> based
>>>>> on
>>>>> a
>>>>> misconception:
>>>>> that
>>>>> entities (self & object)
>>>>> exist
>>>>> independently.
>>>>> 
>>>>> [Arlo]
>>>>> Which is... TAADAA!.. SOM! If ALL intellectual patterns are SOM, this is
>>> NOT
>>>>> a misconception, it is the NATURE of intellect.
>>> 
>>> 
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