[MD] Relativism

[MarshaV]

Hi Bo,

To make relativism - absolutism an either/or is certainly SOM.  


Marsha 




On May 19, 2010, at 3:02 PM, skutvik at online.no wrote:

> All, MOQ discuss
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> 18 May:
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> Steve said to dmb:
>> ... What makes your conception of relativism seem so strange to me is
>> that you say you are a pragmatist and a Pirsigian, yet you still find
>> it interesting to ask, "is it absolute or relative?" which amounts to
>> asking "is the quality in the subject or the object?"
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> dmb says:
>> Nobody is offering the absolute instead of the relative. And SOM
>> should have nothing to do with this debate and it wouldn't have
>> anything to do with it except that you keep bringing it in. It is
>> irrelevant and it is confusing you. 
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> Steve and DMB have had this dispute, that looks like reindeers with 
> their horns intertwined, going for an eternity, it sounds like Steve has a 
> grain of Quality in his reasoning but I'm frustrated that they don't see 
> that relativism/absolutism is a modern version of SOM and thus what 
> the MOQ make short thrift of. 
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> Now, what kind of relativism/absolutism  they discuss I'm not sure, but 
> SOM is behind all kinds and it was the discovery that  absolutism 
> dissolved in the infinite number of hypotheses insight that shook the 
> very young - college student - Phaedrus so much (ZAMM page 107)  
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>    But there it was, the whole history of science, a clear story of 
>    continuously new and changing explanations of old facts. The 
>    time spans of permanence seemed completely random he 
>    could see no order in them. Some scientific truths seemed to 
>    last for centuries, others for less than a year. Scientific truth 
>    was not dogma, good for eternity, but a temporal quantitative 
>    entity that could be studied like anything else.   
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> But as we know he understood that relativism and absolutism - 
> subjectivism  and objectivism -  is  an aggregate, you can't have one 
> without the other - he called it SOM and said it is a static fall-out of 
> Dynamic Quality. Is this completely unknown to you two?  
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