[MD] Reading & Comprehension

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Krimel is back in town

30 May he wrote:

> I don't agree with dmb on much of anything but the one thing I do
> agree with him about is Bo's ludicrous SOL. Of all the comments I have
> scanned while lurking the truest I have heard was Bo's comment that
> the SOL is unassailable. It IS unassailable to the extent that it
> resides inside Bo' thick skull. 
> 
> The levels within the MoQ are a mess and in large measure that
> confusion does result from Pirsig's somewhat incoherent account of
> them.

>From  your "the MOQ a mess" premises it's almost a badge of honor 
to be characterized as ludicrous. See, rejecting the MOQ (meaning 
accepting SOM) is required to find the SOL ludicrous, and THAT is 
exactly my point. Thank you mr "anymouse".

Bodvar  



















 
> The inorganic level is composed of static patterns of inorganic matter
> and force. Whether these turn out to be waves or particle,
> wave/particle or something completely unexpected matters little. By
> the time we are able to interact with them they are relatively static.
> Those static patterns and relationship can form and remain stable for
> periods of billions of years. The inorganic level is the collection of
> those static patterns.
> 
> Under certain conditions inorganic patterns can attain a level of
> complexity of both form and relationship so that they are able to self
> replicate. That is they can iterate. Those iterations of static
> patterns change over periods of millions of years. The biological
> level is the collection of these self replicating patterns.
> 
> One strategy for ensuring self replication of biological patterns is
> through the cooperative efforts of individual members of biological
> species. I am among those who think Pirsig was dead wrong to exclude
> the host of social species from the social level. Ants, bees, herd
> animals, various fish, birds and almost all primates including humans
> employ social behavioral patterns to ensure the biological survival of
> the species. Those social patterns that succeed in this are able to
> replicate themselves. From bees and ants where some have suggested the
> "individual" ought to be considered to be the individual hive or
> colony, to the collection of ethical practices of the Jews which have
> ensure the social identity of the Jewish people for about 5,000 years,
> social patterns are the collection of behaviors that ensure the
> replication of social organism like hives, colonies, ethnicities,
> nations, corporations, cities etc. The social level is the collection
> of those patterns. They are stable on the scale of millennia. 
> 
> The intellectual level is at this point the only level that, as far as
> we know, ought to be considered uniquely human. Although I would say
> in principle this is an open question. Intellectual patterns replicate
> by being passed from one individual to another. They must be
> communicated as in texts, graphics, videos etc or reified in the form
> of motorcycles or skyscrapers. In humans social patterns influence
> greatly which intellectual patterns can be passed along but in short
> intellectual patterns are ideas, systems of thinking, conceptual
> structures. These patterns can change typically on a scale of hundreds
> of years although this seems to be accelerating. The intellectual
> level, as it existed say 20,000 years ago, was limited to what could
> be spoken by one person to a relatively small number of others and
> passed almost entirely by word of mouth. With the invention of
> writing, roughly 12,000 years ago some intellectual patterns could be
> passed across time and space to anyone capable of decoding them and
> they began to accumulate at a faster rate. This was greatly enhanced
> by invention of the printing press and their rate of accumulation and
> transmission has been speeded geometrically with digital encoding. But
> the intellectual level is the collection of all such patterns from the
> Vedas to the blogosphere. To claim that one particular set of such
> patterns constitute a "level" is ridiculous on its face. Even to say
> that all patterns within the level have some particular qualities in
> common is silly.
> 
> Whether you arrived at your conclusions independently or through Bo's
> pernicious influence, if you endorse the SOL (which I would expand to
> mean "Shit Outta Luck") you are SOL indeed.
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