[MD] Betternes - 4 levels of!

[Ian Glendinning]

Hi Horse, I expect I'm just agreeing with Dan here and maybe dmb's
original point:

Those terse statements a great "betterness" characterization of the
levels, but it's really the same betterness, in fact it is the "5th
kind" as you put it, the dynamism, running through them all.

Each level represents greater and more immediate openness to dynamic
possibility.

I particularly like this characterization because the 3-4 distinction
between rationality and dogma is brutally clear. It's not a matter a
defining which kinds of rationale / logic / science / reason /
metaphysics / theology are best, other than the fact that they must
honestly abhor and root out dogma.

And I'm dogmatic about that, even when talking about science ;-)
Ian

On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 12:23 AM, Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 12:28 PM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>>  Hi Dan, Ron, David, Andre et alia
>>
>> I'll take a wild stab in the dark here and guess that what Ron referred to
>> was something that was about on MD several years ago.
>>
>> Inorganic - Order is better than Chaos
>> Organic - Alive is better than Dead
>> Social - Together is better than Alone
>> Intellectual - Reason is better than Dogma
>>
>> Each of these expresses an implied reference to the level below as Dave
>> points out.
>>
>> There's probably a 5th idea of betterness as well according to the MoQ -
>> Dynamic is better than Static
>>
>> I've also slapped this into a new thread for convenience.
>
> Hi Horse
>
> Agreed. I see no problem here. But again, this "betterness" that Ron
> is pointing to... I just don't see that there are four kinds, or five,
> as the case may be. They all point to the same underlying idea... that
> there is some "thing" driving static quality patterns of value towards
> freedom. In the MOQ, we call that some "thing" Dynamic Quality.