[MD] BioCentrism: Was Zeno correct?

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

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(Adrie)
about the illusion and the defect


Mc Watt quoting Mr Pirsig commenting Parmenides and "Zeno"

quote (MOQ and time)-Mc Watt

>From the standpoint of contemporary physics, the Parmendians [sic]

were right to claim a distinction between appearance and reality but

wrong in their claim where the illusion lies.  What is illusory is

constancy, not change.  (Di Santo & Steele, 1990, p.160)

Clark (1999) argues that Parmenides’ theory concerning change could

be an absolute truth (having the same ontological status as a

Platonic form): ‘If true, always true’ and, therefore, existing

before Parmenides discovered it.  However, there still was change in

Parmenides conscious mind from not having the theory (that change is

illusory) to having this theory.  Moreover, it appears that

Parmenides is conflating a description of reality (i.e. being) that

by definition can’t cease to exist with reality itself and is,

therefore, begging the question in the first place.

On the other hand, from the Dynamic sense of the MOQ, Parmenides is,

strictly speaking, correct as the concept of ‘change’ is an

abstraction from Dynamic Quality and, therefore, (as with anything

abstracted) doesn’t exist in an absolute sense.   Possibly, the

koan-like theories of Parmenides and "Zeno" indicate (and they may

have shared similar thinking to Zen masters for such verbal

conundrums) ""the error of assigning absolute truth to a static

concept when reality is fundamentally dynamic. ""

"", "" In the last sentence is mine.(partially), nothing else is

changed.

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Pirsig is rejecting this Parmenides-Zeno koan-like occult reality.
Marsha and Mark are trying to launch it back in.
Backpeddling to the caves?

This material is based upon the case's evidence.
ps. Mc Watt is quoting HAWKING a zillion times on his page.
http://robertpirsig.org/MOQTime.htm   see for yourself

greetzz, Adrie.

The sources used by Ant, are what are called trusted sources, like
Einstein, Hawking, Di Santo & Steele,etc...sources that have proven to be
trusted.

Adrie.


2010/11/6 MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>

>
> Ooops, sorry for confusing Andre for Adrie...
>
>
> On Nov 6, 2010, at 7:57 AM, MarshaV wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Adrie,
> >
> > Now it's In the beginning (and straight from his bucket) is the word of
> Adrie...
> >
> > I find quantum physics very interesting.  At the moment it is in a state
> of
> > confusion and paradox. For me it is too early to place money on a
> front-runner,
> > and that would include Stephen Hawking no matter how many times he is
> > quoted on robertpirsig.org.
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> > On Nov 5, 2010, at 5:30 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:
> >
> >> MARSHA introducing Zeno in the postings.
> >> An experiment published in 1990 suggests that Zeno was right. In
> >> this experiment, scientists demonstrated the quantum equivalent of
> >> the adage that "a watched pot doesn't boil." This behavior, the
> >> "quantum Zeno effect," turns out to be a function of observation.
> >> "It seems,"said physicist Peter Coveney, "that the act of looking at
> >> an atom prevents it from changing". Theoretically, if a nuclear bomb
> >> were watched intently enough -- that is, if you could check its
> >> atoms every million trillionth of a second -- it wouldn't explode.
> >> Bizarre? The problem lies not in the experiments but in our way of
> >> thinking about time. Biocentrism is the only comprehensible way to
> >> explain these results, which are only "weird" in the context of the
> >> existing paradigm.
> >>
> >> -------
> >>
> >> Pirsig is rejecting this Parmenides-Zeno koan-like occult reality.
> >> Marsha and Mark are trying to launch it back in.
> >> Backpeddling to the caves?
> >>
> >> This material is based upon the case's evidence.
> >> ps. Mc Watt is quoting HAWKING a zillion times on his page.
> >> http://robertpirsig.org/MOQTime.htm   see for yourself
> >>
> >> greetzz, Adrie.
> >
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