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> Hi dmb,
> I am curious, if you don't mind me asking, why do you find it of value to
> divide into camps of theist and non-theist?  Notice I am not saying
> anti-theist which is simply pointing to the struggle between.  Is there some
> deep psychological basis that has yet to be brought to surface?  What is the
> purpose of the knife you are using?  Is it meant to be illuminating, because
> I do not see any such thing?  Perhaps I am not operating under the same
> psychological influences as you.  As such, I need some clarification, based
> on rationality.
>
> If both theism and what ever else you want to create camps of, are all
> parts of philosophy then we must understand the distinctions you are
> pointing to, and the value associated with each.  Certainly Theism has been
> dealt with and supported by many great philosophers as you know from reading
> history.  As such it is a brach of philosophy, even a branch of metaphysics
> since it attempts to describe reality.
>
> What is meant by being "beyond" theism.  Beyond in what way?  If age is a
> measure, is sophism something which we are beyond?  Certainly the creation
> of an ultimate unifying reality as is MOQ, was done way back by Parmenides.
>  Does this make such an approach antiquated?  I am simply looking for
> consistency so that I can understand your discussion.  What makes something
> antiquated, what are the properties associated?
>
> Invoking a notion of evolution could also be described as antiquated.  How
> old does something need to be to be an antique?  Things built in the late
> eighteen hundreds are sold as antiques in this country.  How can someone be
> on the wrong side of evolution since the boundaries are created by those who
> support evolution.  Where is the wrong side to such a thing?.  It is like
> saying one is on the wrong side of a fence.  How is such a side decided to
> be wrong?  Is there greener grass on one side?  Are you talking about an
> outside?  The outside is much larger than the inside, it includes many
> opinions, evolution is just one of those.   And.... the wrong side of
> history?  What does that concept mean?  If Hitler had won, would we be on
> the wrong side of history?
>
> I believe you are stating that MOQ is not based on a set of beliefs.  What
> would you consider the premises that are used in MOQ, such as the existence
> of Quality?  If you state this is the rational conclusions as a result of
> the appearance of things in your mind, you still must start with some
> premise or another to base such rationality on.  If you believe in nothing,
> then why are you supporting MOQ?
>
> You bring up the notion of God-fearing.  This sounds like old testament
> stuff, not the new.  Are you debating against Moses?
>
> Just some questions, I am patient.  I simply seek some rational
> clarification.  If you want to bring quotes in, fine, just discuss them
> afterwards in your own words, I can read quotes as well as you, but perhaps
> I interpret them differently.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
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