[MD] Betterness - 4 levels of!

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> Hi Ham,
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[Ham]
"Survival of the fittest" is the concept on which I suspect Pirsig built his
"Quality moves to betterness" thesis.

[Mark]
I also see the term "evolution" being used in its biological sense.  That is
adaptation.  Being a biologist, I perhaps bring in all sorts of learned
notions of what that is all about.  What I struggle with is the concept of
adaptation to what?  I suppose the answer is Quality.  That is, dynamic
quality is adapting to the pressures of Quality.  The resulting expression
due to that adaptation is the species of static quality.  While this could
work, the analogy has a lot of flaws.  For example, the environment that we
are adapting to is continually changing as well.  We could then say that
this represents dynamic quality as well.  In this way Quality would
represent the "conceptual" framework in which all of this is taking place.
 This could be represented by the symbol of yin and yang where the circle
itself represents Quality.  This is difficult to translate into a conceptual
metaphysics, and is why I try to bring in other analogies and philosophies
of old to try to bridge some issues I have.  Obviously a finger cannot point
at itself.  So these analogies are never true to the subject, but they do
provide awareness of Quality, which is all I ask for.

[Ham]

> Certainly, as a product of the uncreated Source, we are constituted of its
> essential attributes, Sensibility and Freedom being the most significant.  I
> suppose you could say that man is created in the "mold" of God's essence. As
> far as a "negative image" is concerned, I don't see how that factors into
> your paradigm.  Man is a negation -- a 'zero' -- from the git-go.  The
> "boundaries" that you speak of in terms of a "mold" are the limits of man's
> finite beingness.  Everything that he experiences (i.e., negates) represents
> a sensible value added to his nothingness.  In the final analysis, his
> being-in-the-world is entirely consumed by the value which replaces it. This
> "secondary negation", the active process of experience, cancels the former
> and restores the negate to its "value-quotient" in Essence.
>

[Mark]
Using words as metaphors or fuzzy descriptors, has its limitations, I know.
 I have tried to draw a picture of the double or secondary negation, and I
have looked at math.  It is still something that doesn't quite click for me
like it does for you.  The term finite beingness is interesting.  From the
physical point of view I see this as being what I experience.  What this
means in terms of possible being, I cannot say.  "The negative image" points
to the two intertwined objects in the symbol of Tao.  The symbols are images
of each other defined by the boundary.  In the case of man for example, the
boundary itself is a negative image, one of environmental pressure if you
will.  We cannot go beyond that because it is a mold.  This can also be
extended to the mind.  "As above so below" would be another approximation
which would encompass a three dimensional boundary.

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> That's the way I see it, Mark.  But this ontogeny needs further elaboration
> which I shall get to in due time.
>

I know you are trying to get through.  I can accept a good deal of
representations of reality, so I am sure that yours will click at some
point.  It is a way of seeing things that brings satisfaction.

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> Once upon a time,
>
Mark

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