[MD] Humanism

[Alexander Jarnroth]

I don't really know about the American branch of the movement, but I don't
like the Swedish branch. Many of them listens a lot to pseudo-teleological
Neo-Darwinists such as Richard Dawkins (whose opinions about religion are
ridiculous - trying to argue about religious matters at the level he does
will never work). The humanist movement has also been, as far as I know,
since it was initiated by, among others, Julian Huxley (brother of Aldous),
supporting eugenics - that is, government controlled birth control with the
aim to improve the genome - one might wonder what should be termed an
improvement and what should not - and just how the government is supposed to
know this (and be sure - it would be SQ, not DQ).
Many of them, at least around here, are also fundamentalist atheists, even
though they claim to accept religious belief and only being "skeptic" - many
of them criticize religion in a very "rough" way - which really isn't
pragmatic. They often use the Russell-Dawkins argument which goes: "There is
no logical reason to believe in the existence of a God" to which any
believed easily could reply "Yes, but God is above/beyond the realms of
logic". This sort of argumentation is at the same level as adherents of
different religions use against each other. Such as Muslims saying of
Christians: "It is ridiculous to believe that God would have a child" or
Christians saying about Jews that "It is ridiculous that the Jews rejected
their own messiah" and Jews about Christians that "Their Messiah is an
heretic according to the teachings of Torah" or a Christian saying of an
Hindu that "the Hindu's polytheism is a primitive concept of God and not an
ultimate theology".
Other humanists I've met, have been preaching the gospel of reason, saying
that reason should be able to solve anything, which is positivism and
formalism.
I wouldn't support them if they are in America, as over here.

/A


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Hi all,
Perhaps I am getting bored of this atheism stuff.  So I am now switching to
humanism.  I was perusing through the american humanist site and saw that
they are now providing serious propaganda against religion.  So I looked a
bit more into it, and found that the humanism movement in Italy during the
Renaissance was heavily involved in Church matters at least from a scholarly
point of view.  However, they also confused the issues of religions through
scholarly work, which didn't make the church leaders happy.  Keep it simple
and you keep control.  I haven't read the wiki version of it, but there are
other good descriptive sites.

So I went back to the archive with a word search of humanism and saw that
JC, Krimel and Dave have already brought this up.  What I wonder in the
setting of the MOQ is whether all humanists are atheist or the other way
around.  Is MOQ considered to be Humanist?
This has probably been brought up before (perhaps even in Lila), and for
that I apologize.  I only have so much time (too much time actually right
now), and my brain is small and shoves out the old with the new.  If I had
an electronic version of Lila I wouldn't bother you with the question.

Cheers,
Mark
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