[MD] The MOQ difference {Correction)

[John Carl]

I shared this with Matt a long time ago, Mark, and Ham more recently, an
article by John Durham Peters on Borges and Royce that I find fascinating,
and the first good answer to Aristotle's problem of conceptualizing the
Infinite that we've had in a couple thousand years.

http://www.borges.pitt.edu/documents/2501.pdf

Enjoy!

JC



On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 4:46 PM, 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey John,
>
> I saw you mentioned Borges.  One of my heros.  He came and spoke at my
> sister's high school graduation down in Argentina, many years ago.  Can't
> remember what he said, except it was weird.  If you have any good links to
> his stuff, send them along.
>
> Thanks,
> Mark
>
> On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 3:07 PM, John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Well Ham,  It's four days later, and I'm just starting to catch up.  So
> no
> > apology necessary!
> >
> > On Sun, Oct 3, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Ham Priday <hampday1 at verizon.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > John, I gave you an inaccessible address for my essay, Becoming Aware.
> > >  Tack an 'htm' in place of the 'net' at the end.
> > >
> > > In other words, www.essentialism.net/becomeaware.htm should work.
> > >
> >
> > "Should".  Well, it does on one level, but I dunno on the other.  The
> link
> > took me somewhere, but I need clarification, right off the top.  Hope you
> > don't mind me divining in and tearing apart...
> >
> >
> >
> > Conscious beings have a private realm in which all sorts of inner events
> > occur that are not directly observable by others.
> >
> >
> > the tSee?  Right there.  I'm not sure, but I've got lots of questions.
>  For
> > is not everything that is felt and experienced by "me", communicated in
> > some
> > fashion -albeit ambigously and confusedly - to others?  That is, my
> > recognized being, has it's meaning and definition only to these related
> > others.  And thus any felt aspect of self-being, is mirrored somehow upon
> > our aspects, in ways we don't intend or even fully understand.  We are
> > related in ways we can't fully imagine or intellectualize.
> >
> > So right off, I don't agree.
> >
> > When you think, feel, desire, judge, or plan, it is a proprietary
> > experience
> > that represents your individual point of view.
> >
> > ok, that I do agree.  But it's a bit tautological, eh?  Whatever "I" feel
> > represents "me" and my point of view.  Obviously.  But that presupposes
> our
> > self-image, our sense of who "me" is and how that's been derived and
> > created
> > in a relativistic cosmos.  It just assumes, instead of sticking to the
> > analysis of where or how that self arises.  I used to think of these as
> > "meta problems" because it's easy to get caught in that ole hall of
> mirrors
> > of multiple levels when you're thinking upon self and being.
> >
> > This was part of that Borges scholar's point, btw, in analyzing Jorge's
> > adaptation of El Mapa de Royce, his answer to FH Bradley and Aristotle's
> > objections to handling these things mentally - infinity as a mathematical
> > conceptualization as opposed to its rhetorical considerations -  but
> sorry.
> >  I digress.  Disagreement is one thing, digression another.  Disagreeable
> > digression takes it to a whole worse level!
> >
> >
> > It occurs in a private space that is your own subjective realm.  In
> > deference to the majestic poetry of John Donne, insofar as experience is
> > concerned, it must be said that *every* man is an island.
> > Plllbbbttttt--- to you and the solipsistic horse you rode in on.  Me and
> > John D and that guy marooned on an island but with a whole world of
> > relationships in his head, all will testify that empirical evidence
> weighs
> > heavily against that notion.  If any man is completely a-social, then I
> (or
> > you) simply have no knowledge of him, and for all practical purposes he
> > does
> > not exist.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Sorry about the error.  (It was way past my bedtime.)
> > >
> > > --Ham
> > >
> > >
> > All is forgiven.  Take your time.  Answer me carefully.  I'll wait
> > patiently.  I've got all night, I'm home, home on the ridge.  Sigh.
> >
> > gonna build a fire and Phil-ah-sophize tonite baby!  I've got the house
> to
> > myself and plenty of firewood, and Lu hasn't cut off the broadband yet!
> >
> > I will read the rest of your missive, and get back to you.
> >
> > John at home
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