[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

[MarshaV]

On Oct 8, 2010, at 12:49 PM, John Carl wrote:

> Mornin' Marsha,
> 
> 
>> 
>> Are you somewhere saying that I have something misinterpreted, because
>> if you think so may I can clarify.
>> 
>> 
> 
> My specific point of contention, is that "emptiness = Quality" is a view, a
> metaphysical view, refuted by the video you post.  Wallace specifically
> terms it "foolish person's conclusion".  Now, does this mean I'm calling you
> a fool?
> 
> Yes!

Hi John,

Where did I say emptiness = Quality?   I may have, but I don't remember?

I think I wrote that RMP stated Emptiness and Quality are synonyms .  I think
I stated that they are analogies point in the same direction.


Marsha 




> 
> But I make a fool of myself as well, to communicate to one and all, that we
> are all fools.  Not all fools equally, but equally all fools.  And the fool
> that understands her foolishness is wise.  And for me to have enough faith
> in your wisdom, to point out your foolishness to you, then I guess I'm not
> calling you a fool, I'm calling you wise.
> 
> So... No!
> 
> Another interesting part of that video, was the way he mentioned in his task
> of interpreting the physicist for the Dalai Lama, was that at the end of the
> day, the physicist reports going home and reifying his wife and kids, even
> though he knows they don't actually exist, objectively speaking.  In other
> words, reification is even more inevitable than drinking and picking up bar
> lades, and using "it's a reification" as argumentative refutation is no more
> adequate an argument than saying "it's only an analogy, ya know."   I mean
> really.  duh.  Everything is.
> 
> 
> John Laughing Fool
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 12:23 PM, John Carl wrote:
>> 
>>> Marsha, listen to the last part again. That last couple of minutes.
>> I've
>>> transcribed it for others who can't be bothered to wade through 8 or so
>>> minutes of excellent rhetoric"
>>> 
>>> "The two radical poles- that which is absolutely objective  and that
>> which
>>> absolutely subjective, are null sets, they're equally empty.  Now where
>> does
>>> that leave us? The foolish person says 'I get it -  Nothing exists-
>> Nihilism
>>> - foolishness.  What I want to do, metaphorically, is take out a little
>>> knife and pffft - (pop their balloon).  I want to bring them back.  Yes,
>>> absolutel objectivity and absolute subjectivity - empty.    So where is
>>> reality to be found? The entanglement between."
>>> 
>>> There is your synonym for Quality, my dear: The Entanglement Between.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Mon, Oct 4, 2010 at 9:01 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think it is acceptable within the MoQ to consider Emptiness equivalent
>> to
>>>> Quaiity...
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Emptiness & Quantum Mechanics  (8 minutes)
>>>>             by B. Alan Wallace
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>> http://web.me.com/ksnowsb108/B._Alan_Wallace_Podcasts/Podcast/Entries/2009/2/7_Emptiness_%26_Quantum_Mechanics.html
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Bio:  Dr. Wallace, a scholar and practitioner of Buddhism since 1970,
>> has
>>>> taught Buddhist theory and meditation worldwide since 1976. Having
>> devoted
>>>> fourteen years to training as a Tibetan Buddhist monk, ordained by H. H.
>> the
>>>> Dalai Lama, he went on to earn an undergraduate degree in physics and
>> the
>>>> philosophy of science at Amherst College and a doctorate in religious
>>>> studies at Stanford.
>>>> 
>>>> 
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