[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

[X Acto]

I think this where the trouble stems from in regard to "emptiness" too.
it's a matter of preference concerning meaning of terms.

does emptiness accurately convey betterness?

not really

but "ultimate" tends to hint at a finality

where absolute hints at form, but absolute quality hints at formless form.

we know it but can't define it.

what do you think?



----- Original Message ----
From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:34:35 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

Marsha:
I do not use the word 'absolute'; I like better the word 
'ultimate.'  The Absolute is beyond my ability to know it.  

Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience)  



On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:31 AM, X Acto wrote:

> Quality is absolute
> 
> absolute betterness
> 
> 
> 
>  
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:06:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
> 
> 
> Marsha:
> I do not consider my measurement of truth as absolute.  
> I have no knowledge of what is Absolute.  
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:02 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> sure you do
>> 
>> you have knowledge of what you like and dislike
>> 
>> you have knowledge of Quality
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 8:45:41 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> The question was to John's explanation of an 
>> _Absolute_ measure of truth because he claims 
>> that one exists.  I do not consider my measurement 
>> of truth as absolute.  I have no knowledge of what 
>> is Absolute.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:19 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> You already posses it Marsha. 
>>> Your own values
>>> your collection of likes and dislikes
>>> put to work in everymoment of experience.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 1:48:23 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> What is this Absolute measure of truth?  Where is it?  How can I 
>>> get access to it to apply it when necessary?  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:12 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Yeah, dave, I sorta figured you were referring to to philosophical
>>>> relativism rather than physical relativism.  In my book, the latter refutes
>>>> the former.  I've always argued against Relativism in my philosophic
>>>> disputations also.  So I with you on that one.
>>>> 
>>>> dmb says:
>>>>> If you are talking within the context of physics, "relativity" is about
>>>>> time and space. In the context of philosophy, however, relativism is a
>>>>> position on truth and morality. So Einstein's theory is not in dispute 
> here.
>>>>> The dispute is about epistemological relativity and its relation to the
>>>>> pragmatic theory of truth. That is the context in which "relativity" means
>>>>> there is no standard by which to measure things like truth and moral 
> values.
>>>>> As you may have noticed, I think relativism is a very bad idea with very 
> bad
>>>>> consequences and I think the pragmatic theory of truth is NOT a form of
>>>>> relativism.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Usually though, my disputation takes the form of Relativism vs. Absolutism,
>>>> and since you and I agree on disparaging Relativism, I'm puzzled how you 
can
>>>> disagree with me that Truth is an Absolute Ideal. Even if you make
>>>> Experience your Absolute, it is still, an Absolute.
>>>> 
>>>> John
>>> 
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