[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

Sat Oct 9 07:03:01 PDT 2010

Marsha:

Okay, that's what you feel.  -  I believe Buddhism might state that 
conventional reality (relational truths) came to exist because they 
are useful.   

p.s.  Are you going to stand up for me if dmb starts whining about my 
submitting too many posts?  

On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:54 AM, X Acto wrote:

> I feel "emptiness" and "nothingness" convey passive static approaches
> 
> while "betterness"  "value" and Quality convey dynamic active approaches
> 
> 
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> ----- Original Message ----
> From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:42:49 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
> 
> I think this where the trouble stems from in regard to "emptiness" too.
> it's a matter of preference concerning meaning of terms.
> 
> does emptiness accurately convey betterness?
> 
> not really
> 
> but "ultimate" tends to hint at a finality
> 
> where absolute hints at form, but absolute quality hints at formless form.
> 
> we know it but can't define it.
> 
> what do you think?
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:34:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
> 
> Marsha:
> I do not use the word 'absolute'; I like better the word 
> 'ultimate.'  The Absolute is beyond my ability to know it.  
> 
> Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience)  
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:31 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> Quality is absolute
>> 
>> absolute betterness
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   
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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:06:37 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> I do not consider my measurement of truth as absolute.  
>> I have no knowledge of what is Absolute.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:02 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> sure you do
>>> 
>>> you have knowledge of what you like and dislike
>>> 
>>> you have knowledge of Quality
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 8:45:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha:
>>> The question was to John's explanation of an 
>>> _Absolute_ measure of truth because he claims 
>>> that one exists.  I do not consider my measurement 
>>> of truth as absolute.  I have no knowledge of what 
>>> is Absolute.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:19 AM, X Acto wrote:
>>> 
>>>> You already posses it Marsha. 
>>>> Your own values
>>>> your collection of likes and dislikes
>>>> put to work in everymoment of experience.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>   
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 1:48:23 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi John,
>>>> 
>>>> What is this Absolute measure of truth?  Where is it?  How can I 
>>>> get access to it to apply it when necessary?  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:12 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Yeah, dave, I sorta figured you were referring to to philosophical
>>>>> relativism rather than physical relativism.  In my book, the latter refutes
>>>>> the former.  I've always argued against Relativism in my philosophic
>>>>> disputations also.  So I with you on that one.
>>>>> 
>>>>> dmb says:
>>>>>> If you are talking within the context of physics, "relativity" is about
>>>>>> time and space. In the context of philosophy, however, relativism is a
>>>>>> position on truth and morality. So Einstein's theory is not in dispute 
>> here.
>>>>>> The dispute is about epistemological relativity and its relation to the
>>>>>> pragmatic theory of truth. That is the context in which "relativity" means
>>>>>> there is no standard by which to measure things like truth and moral 
>> values.
>>>>>> As you may have noticed, I think relativism is a very bad idea with very 
>> bad
>>>>>> consequences and I think the pragmatic theory of truth is NOT a form of
>>>>>> relativism.
>>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Usually though, my disputation takes the form of Relativism vs. Absolutism,
>>>>> and since you and I agree on disparaging Relativism, I'm puzzled how you 
> can
>>>>> disagree with me that Truth is an Absolute Ideal. Even if you make
>>>>> Experience your Absolute, it is still, an Absolute.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
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