[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

Sat Oct 9 07:19:38 PDT 2010

to be more accurate, there is a difference between the act
of prefference and what is preffered.

what is preffered, the particulars, is a static representation 
relative to my history and DQ.  

----- Original Message ----
From: X Acto <xacto at rocketmail.com>
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Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 10:11:44 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

what you say, perhaps not

what you preffer, now thats another story

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From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
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Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 10:08:04 AM
Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

Marsha:
No, Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable.  What I 
say about Quality is not Quality, it is a static representation 
relative to my history and DQ.  

Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience)  

On Oct 9, 2010, at 10:02 AM, X Acto wrote:

> it seems quality is knowable
> 
> you just expressed prefference for the term "ultimate"
> 
> you know you like it better.
> 
> thats Quality
> 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:58:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
> 
> Marsha:
> I haven't any idea what you're talking about. I cannot find a clear 
> definition of the word 'absolute'  as you are using explaining it.  
> 
> Quality is indivisible, undefinable and unknowable, so it seems to 
> me that what we can say about it is not Absolute, it is relative.    
> 
> I prefer 'ultimate.'  
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:42 AM, X Acto wrote:
> 
>> I think this where the trouble stems from in regard to "emptiness" too.
>> it's a matter of preference concerning meaning of terms.
>> 
>> does emptiness accurately convey betterness?
>> 
>> not really
>> 
>> but "ultimate" tends to hint at a finality
>> 
>> where absolute hints at form, but absolute quality hints at formless form.
>> 
>> we know it but can't define it.
>> 
>> what do you think?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:34:35 AM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>> 
>> Marsha:
>> I do not use the word 'absolute'; I like better the word 
>> 'ultimate.'  The Absolute is beyond my ability to know it.  
>> 
>> Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience)  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:31 AM, X Acto wrote:
>> 
>>> Quality is absolute
>>> 
>>> absolute betterness
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 9:06:37 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha:
>>> I do not consider my measurement of truth as absolute.  
>>> I have no knowledge of what is Absolute.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 9:02 AM, X Acto wrote:
>>> 
>>>> sure you do
>>>> 
>>>> you have knowledge of what you like and dislike
>>>> 
>>>> you have knowledge of Quality
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>> Sent: Sat, October 9, 2010 8:45:41 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Marsha:
>>>> The question was to John's explanation of an 
>>>> _Absolute_ measure of truth because he claims 
>>>> that one exists.  I do not consider my measurement 
>>>> of truth as absolute.  I have no knowledge of what 
>>>> is Absolute.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Oct 9, 2010, at 8:19 AM, X Acto wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> You already posses it Marsha. 
>>>>> Your own values
>>>>> your collection of likes and dislikes
>>>>> put to work in everymoment of experience.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>>>> Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 1:48:23 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi John,
>>>>> 
>>>>> What is this Absolute measure of truth?  Where is it?  How can I 
>>>>> get access to it to apply it when necessary?  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha  
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 7, 2010, at 1:12 PM, John Carl wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Yeah, dave, I sorta figured you were referring to to philosophical
>>>>>> relativism rather than physical relativism.  In my book, the latter 
> refutes
>>>>>> the former.  I've always argued against Relativism in my philosophic
>>>>>> disputations also.  So I with you on that one.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> dmb says:
>>>>>>> If you are talking within the context of physics, "relativity" is about
>>>>>>> time and space. In the context of philosophy, however, relativism is a
>>>>>>> position on truth and morality. So Einstein's theory is not in dispute 
>>> here.
>>>>>>> The dispute is about epistemological relativity and its relation to the
>>>>>>> pragmatic theory of truth. That is the context in which "relativity" 
> means
>>>>>>> there is no standard by which to measure things like truth and moral 
>>> values.
>>>>>>> As you may have noticed, I think relativism is a very bad idea with very 

>>> bad
>>>>>>> consequences and I think the pragmatic theory of truth is NOT a form of
>>>>>>> relativism.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Usually though, my disputation takes the form of Relativism vs. 
> Absolutism,
>>>>>> and since you and I agree on disparaging Relativism, I'm puzzled how you 
>> can
>>>>>> disagree with me that Truth is an Absolute Ideal. Even if you make
>>>>>> Experience your Absolute, it is still, an Absolute.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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