[MD] The Wind

Mon Oct 11 11:00:19 PDT 2010

ADRIE KINTZIGER
Consider the wind, its invisible,no one has ever seen it... so nicely
written...
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Hello everyone

On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:05 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Consider the wind, its invisible,no one has ever seen it...
>
> so nicely written ,Dan, 'it' made me think.

Hello Adrie

Thank you! It is very good of you to write.

>
> The wind is always new, no wind is ever old, still it was always there
from
> the beginning.
> It was there to surround the dino's, it was there to move the ocean's from
> the beginning of times..
> Yes , it was always present, yet never old wind, or new wind, we have to
do
> with the only availiable from the beginning of times..
> The past history's did not leave any imprint on the wind's patterns, it
> leave's no footsteps or traces, the wind has no rememberance
> for the past...., strangely, it is the parent of the past, but is not
> capable of transferring the past, it is the parent of the paradox,
> not capable of carrying the paradox.

Dan:
I didn't consider time though of course in a sense I did. The arrow of
time moves just one way. How often would we go back if we could and
undo that which has been done... a second chance, if you will. But,
that is an impossibility. But, it gives me pause to consider...

>
> The wind we expierience, is the very same old wind Columbus was breathing,
> the same old stuff that was surrounding Ceasar
> or Jesus on the mountain,......it is also feeding us with air, and will do
> so forever, coming in waves, wind comes in waves.

Dan:
The ancients considered the earth to be the receptive and the sky to
be the creative. Together, they bring forth all that we need to
survive. When the earth grows old (as it must, as all patterns must)
the sky will swallow it and the wind will cease its incessant
movement. By then, we will be long gone. And there will be no one to
cry...

>
> Dynamic quality comes in waves, static imprints are left in th past in
> wavepackets, spherical models, mirroring time in reverse.
> There is no old dynamic quality, it is always new,it was always there from
> the early beginning
> It was there to surround the dino's, it was there to move the ocean's from
> the beginning of times.
> Etc, ....you can fill in the field..

Dan:
Yes, it is always new, always a surprise...

>
> There is no old dynamic quality, and there is no new dynamic quality, it
was
> always present from the beginning.
> It is parenting the paradox, yet not capable of carrying it...how
> paradoxal...
> Wind is following the arrow of time, following dynamic quality, it is
> supporting life in a pattern of preference.

Dan:
I used wind as a metaphor for Dynamic Quality. It is difficult to get
a handle on "it," though.

>
> Thanks for reading , Dan.

You are welcome, Adie. Thank you too.
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The metaphor,..(.Adrie)
Difficult , yes, it is impossible to get away with simplifications.Reality
itself shows millions of possible appearances.

Dan
"When the earth grows old, as it must, as all patterns must,...."

Adrie,
As all patterns must,...i will make the exeption for dynamic quality, the
main pattern of value is evolving contantly en
renewing itself, like DNA, like life itself, like the wind.
Dynamic quality is the mechanism that triggers the future to happen, yet it
is not holding a previous imprint of this possible future,
There are no imprints to roll-out , reality itself  has no script , no
boundary's, no limitations.
Reality is the future as the future is reality, reality has no environment
because it is the environment, the future has no environment , because the
future is the environment. Dynamic quality cannot contain limitations. I try
to consider seeit  as the universe, again, the universe has no environment ,
the universe is the environment itself, reality, dynamic quality, the main
pattern of value
contains all others, like a book contains itself, and the words contain the
secrets they carry along the sentence's.
I do not think this pattern will age.

Dynamic quality is all of this at the very same moment in time, it is
reality itself. The pattern is the parent of all others.
Maybe it appears to be strange, But dynamic quality has no rememberance of
the past, the present, time itself, reality is direct
expierience, flux, reality has no past, reality does not remember time.'IT'
can only be dynamical.Nothing else.

thanks for reading Dan.

grtz, Adrie

2010/10/11 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>

> Hello everyone
>
> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 7:05 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > Consider the wind, its invisible,no one has ever seen it...
> >
> > so nicely written ,Dan, 'it' made me think.
>
> Hello Adrie
>
> Thank you! It is very good of you to write.
>
> >
> > The wind is always new, no wind is ever old, still it was always there
> from
> > the beginning.
> > It was there to surround the dino's, it was there to move the ocean's
> from
> > the beginning of times..
> > Yes , it was always present, yet never old wind, or new wind, we have to
> do
> > with the only availiable from the beginning of times..
> > The past history's did not leave any imprint on the wind's patterns, it
> > leave's no footsteps or traces, the wind has no rememberance
> > for the past...., strangely, it is the parent of the past, but is not
> > capable of transferring the past, it is the parent of the paradox,
> > not capable of carrying the paradox.
>
> Dan:
> I didn't consider time though of course in a sense I did. The arrow of
> time moves just one way. How often would we go back if we could and
> undo that which has been done... a second chance, if you will. But,
> that is an impossibility. But, it gives me pause to consider...
>
> >
> > The wind we expierience, is the very same old wind Columbus was
> breathing,
> > the same old stuff that was surrounding Ceasar
> > or Jesus on the mountain,......it is also feeding us with air, and will
> do
> > so forever, coming in waves, wind comes in waves.
>
> Dan:
> The ancients considered the earth to be the receptive and the sky to
> be the creative. Together, they bring forth all that we need to
> survive. When the earth grows old (as it must, as all patterns must)
> the sky will swallow it and the wind will cease its incessant
> movement. By then, we will be long gone. And there will be no one to
> cry...
>
> >
> > Dynamic quality comes in waves, static imprints are left in th past in
> > wavepackets, spherical models, mirroring time in reverse.
> > There is no old dynamic quality, it is always new,it was always there
> from
> > the early beginning
> > It was there to surround the dino's, it was there to move the ocean's
> from
> > the beginning of times.
> > Etc, ....you can fill in the field..
>
> Dan:
> Yes, it is always new, always a surprise...
>
> >
> > There is no old dynamic quality, and there is no new dynamic quality, it
> was
> > always present from the beginning.
> > It is parenting the paradox, yet not capable of carrying it...how
> > paradoxal...
> > Wind is following the arrow of time, following dynamic quality, it is
> > supporting life in a pattern of preference.
>
> Dan:
> I used wind as a metaphor for Dynamic Quality. It is difficult to get
> a handle on "it," though.
>
> >
> > Thanks for reading , Dan.
>
> You are welcome, Adie. Thank you too.
>
> Dan
>
> >
> > greetz, Adrie
> >
> >
> > 2010/10/10 Dan Glover <daneglover at gmail.com>
> >
> >> If students know what quality is why is their writing so bad?
> >>
> >>      There are many reasons.  Some are square. Some do not care.
> >> Some, because of poor instruction, do not know that they know what
> >> quality is. Many students have been brainwashed into believing that
> >> only instructors know what quality is. Often when a student realizes
> >> for the first time that he really does know what quality is in writing
> >> he also begins to care for the first time.
> >>
> >>      A third reason why student writing is so bad even though
> >> students know what quality is, is that an ability to recognize good
> >> writing comes much easier than an ability to produce it.  Usually
> >> students can discern between good and bad writing without being able
> >> to write well. But if a student cannot discern quality in his own
> >> writing there is no hope for him -- no method in the world will ever
> >> help him learn how to write. That is why I believe pure quality should
> >> be taught before any methods of producing it are taught.
> >>
> >> [Robert Pirsig's 1961 Letter to Professor Edith Buchanan]
> >>
> >> Pure quality is the wind that pushes us along. In order to teach pure
> >> quality, consider the wind. It's invisible. No one has ever seen it.
> >> But it's always there, pushing us, compelling us onward. And there is
> >> no going back. Within the framework of the MOQ, we call it Dynamic
> >> Quality. And, once named, it is easy to understand it. That's the
> >> mistake... the naming. That is a logical absurdity.
> >>
> >> How does one teach that which is pre-intellectual? How does one think
> >> about that which precedes all thought? It is easier to recognize
> >> quality than it is to produce it. Pure quality is neither patterned or
> >> un-patterned. To know quality is recognition but to produce quality is
> >> cognition. In other words, producing quality writing requires the
> >> application of knowledge and the ability to change preferences within
> >> differing contexts.
> >>
> >> To know pure quality is to learn the wind. There is no pattern to the
> >> wind but that doesn't mean it is un-patterned. There is only
> >> nothingness until we feel the push. There is only emptiness until we
> >> become filled. Experience is the beginning with the wind pushing
> >> irrevocably toward the end. Know this, and know pure quality.
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Dan
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