[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

[Mary]

Hi Dan,

> > Hi Mary
> 
> Forgive me, but I thought the Metaphysics of Quality is all about
> patterns. But you could be right. Still, in the framework of
> "subject/object metaphysics, there are only subject and objects. If I
> may ask, where are patterns located in such a scheme?
> 
[Mary replies]

Not to belabor, but according to Pirsig, everything is a set of patterns,
including the Intellectual Level.

> 
> >Explaining patterns, examining
> > patterns, comparing and contrasting patterns.  By definition, SOM
> can't
> > address an 'unpattern'.  The reason we have so much trouble
> communicating
> > the essence of 'unpatterns' to SOMists is precisely because they
> cannot be
> > addressed in the realm of patterns.  The first cut at Dynamic Quality
> is
> > experience.  In the instant we've 'experienced', it becomes one of 2
> things
> > in the second cut - a subject or an object.  That's unfortunate,
> because
> > once we've sliced things up as subjects and objects, we can no longer
> talk
> > about Quality, or Values, or Morals.  We're hard-wired that way.  Not
> our
> > fault, just our disability.
> 
> Dan:
> In the framework of the MOQ, Dynamic Quality IS experience. Static
> quality is the fallout. Subject and objects are convenient terms for
> patterns of value as long as it is remembered that they are just
> that... convenient terms. There are no subject and objects in the
> framework of the MOQ and in fact the MOQ was invented as an antidote
> to just such.
> 

[Mary replies]

I am sorry to say it, but I have to disagree.  Dynamic Quality is not
experience.  Dynamic Quality can be experienced, but it is not experience.
By the time DQ is experienced, it has become a static pattern already.  Can
you name a static pattern of value?  If you can, I propose that what you
have really done is objectify it into an object or subject.  At the point of
awareness it's already too late.


> Thank you,
> 
> Dan

Your welcome, ;)
Mary