[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

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Hi Mary,

Thanks for your reply.  Let me first say that what I post is my opinion
only.  Not right or wrong, good or bad, just an opinion.  I have nothing
vested in it, and don't mind being educated further.  If I get replies, I
try to incorporate them.  This is a discussion, nothing more.

Yes, it is difficult to put into words.  What I am saying is that most of
experience is not put into words, just a very small part of it.  The reason
we put it into words is twofold, either to tag it to remember, or, to
communicate it to someone else.  But this is just the very surface of the
experience.  If one lets the words dominate, it can only diminish (simplify)
the experience.  IMHO.

Let's take for example going to a movie.  Your mind is fully attentive of
all going on, the colors, the music, the plot, the scenery (even that on the
very edge of the screen), most of which you will not actively remember, and
those specific words that tug at your heartstrings, that you won't remember.
 How do you describe how you felt after watching a movie, with a few words.
 Certainly there was more going on than that during every second of the two
hours, most of it wordless in your head.  In a movie you are a passive
observer.  Most of what is going on in your mind is free of SOM, you don't
have time to translate it second by second.  I feel this is true with life
in general.  To reduce the experience to words or SOM, is to be listening to
a tape in your head which has fully simplified the experience.

Let me present the following SOM thought experiment to you:
Let's say you were brought up from birth by wolves (yea, I know old story,
huh?).  There was nobody around to talk to, just a bunch of howling.  One
day, you got hungry and decided to catch a rabbit to eat.  Now, are you
saying "I'm going to hunt a rabbit"?  No, because you don't have words for
it.  Are you thinking "me (subject) going to catch rabbit (object)"?  No, I
don't believe you would be thinking that either.  Why would you, you've got
nobody to tell that to.  So you would simply go out and catch a rabbit.
 There would be no SOM, no wordy thinking, just action.  This doesn't mean
you weren't thinking the whole time.

The example is my way of trying to explain the impact of communication on
how we may think we see the world.  Other people are our mirrors, therefore
we think we are talking to ourselves as well.  But (again in my opinion),
most of what is going on is outside of SOM.  It is direct experience, direct
Quality.  There is no need for a knife to slice it up.  Why would you even
want to do that?  When I am out skiing, I am not breaking it up into little
wordy thoughts.  What a waste that would be of a fine day.  Doesn't mean I'm
not fully aware of it all with my thoughts.  Just don't need to write it
down.

If you ask me to give you an experience that I have no thought about, I
would have to think about translating it into words, wouldn't I?  Kind of a
catch 22.  And no, I don't think I am crazy, so maybe I am...

Regards,
Mark

On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 5:21 PM, Mary <marysonthego at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Mark 118,
>
> > Hi Mary,
> >
> > I would suggest to you that it is quite possible to experience without
> > subject or objects.  You do it most of the day.
>
> [Mary replies]
>
> I'm flattered, but it's not true.  If I have an experience I have to think
> about it, right?  If I do not think about it, did it even happen for me?
> Name me an experience you have had which you have not thought about; then
> explain how what you have just thought about is not a subject thinking
> about
> an object.
>
>
> Experience does not
> > need to
> > entail subject and object, how else would Quality enter into it?
>
> [Mary replies]
>
> Are you saying subjects and objects are of no Quality?
>
> Now,
> > I
> > assume by unpatterned you mean lack of pattern.  Perhaps you have a
> > different meaning.  If so, I stand corrected.
> >
>
> [Mary replies]
>
> I cannot discuss this and neither can you.  The unpatterned cannot be
> defined, for as soon as you do so it has become patterned.
>
> > Thanks,
> > Mark
>
> My pleasure,
> Mary
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