[MD] Emptiness & Quantum Mechancics

[Horse]

  Hi Mary

On 12/10/2010 01:14, Mary wrote:
> Hi Horse,
>>    On 10/10/2010 23:47, Mary wrote:
>>> You see, SOM is all about patterns.
>> Isn't SOM all about Subjects and Objects?
>>
> [Mary replies]
> Yes.

And as Dan has pointed out just today, there are no Subjects and Objects 
in the MoQ - only patterns of Value. Subjects and Objects are a 
convenient shorthand for patterns of Value.

>>> Explaining patterns, examining patterns, comparing and contrasting
>> patterns.
>>
>> Patterns of what? Patterns of Subjects and Objects?
>>
> [Mary replies]
> Yes.

So what exactly are patterns then? Are they Subjects or are they 
Objects. And if they are either why do use the term to differentiate 
Patterns from Subjects and Objects.

>>> The first cut at Dynamic Quality is experience.
>> Surely you mean the first cut of Quality is into Static and Dynamic
>> Quality.
>>
> [Mary replies]
> And what is that?  The same, no?

No. Quality and Dynamic Quality are not the same thing. DQ is the 
Dynamic aspect of Quality and SQ is the Static aspect. SQ is/are 
definable patterns of Value and can be categorised etc. DQ is not 
definable (or infinitely definable and inexhaustible if you prefer) and 
thus cannot be categorised. The metaphysical aspect of the MoQ is, 
essentially, to do with the Static patterns. DQ is not 'cut' into anything.

>>> In the instant we've 'experienced', it becomes one of 2 things
>>> in the second cut - a subject or an object.  That's unfortunate,
>> because
>>> once we've sliced things up as subjects and objects, we can no longer
>> talk
>>> about Quality, or Values, or Morals.  We're hard-wired that way.
>> Not we, but you.
>>
>>> Not our fault, just our disability.
>> Not ours, but yours.
>>
> [Mary replies]
> I understand that you don't want me here, but when you talk like that you
> degrade yourself.  Come on.  You're better than that.

I've never had a problem with you being here Mary and to baselessly 
accuse me of this says more about you than it does about me. This is a 
smokescreen that you use to try and avoid your own lack of understanding 
of the MoQ. Even though your misunderstanding has been pointed out by 
others with a far greater knowledge than myself of the MoQ you continue 
to insist that they are all wrong and you are right.
Given the huge body of evidence and knowledge that contradicts your 
understanding, if I were you I would be seriously considering where it 
was that I took a wrong turn and not blindly continuing along a path 
that makes little sense and leads to all the wrong conclusions.

Take care


Horse

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