[MD] Step One

Sat Oct 16 01:18:53 PDT 2010

Well, I'v been reading the edge of chaos in the archives.
Do you understand the word decoherence?
Mind this , i can see a very high intellect at the same time.

contemplate.
Hm, other forms of knowledge/bible.

The bible is not written by Jesus, nor by god,none of the value's within the
old or new testament
are representing god's or Jesus his opinion or value's.
I do not dismiss them, i will not discuss them with you.

I think you are clever enough to have a discussion with me , buth i have my
doubts on the coherence part.
All previous evidence is against you.
The edge of chaos.Hm.
greetz, Adrie

2010/10/16 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>

> Hi Andrie,
>
> Spoken like a true preacher, yes even preachers can build lasers.  Now, get
> out of your pulpit and contemplate.
>
> Yes, light can be described by waves or particles.  The key word is
> described.  One can use physics to describe reality in the same way the
> bible can describe God.  There is no difference.  If you think that there
> is, you are way too deep into Scientism and need to come up for some air.
>  So like you can say that is very "zen" of you, I would retort well, that
> is
> very "science" of you.  You can measure light, others can measure
> spirituality, it all depends what you use as the ruler.
>
> So physics is a great tool for insight, but nothing more.  If you think you
> truly understand things through physics, then perhaps consider what the
> basis is for such understanding.  If it is things you have read in books,
> or
> taken classes on, then this is analogous to a seminary education.  Please
> do
> not dismiss other forms of knowledge out of hand.  We are after all talking
> about MoQ, which can be enhanced by physics but certainly not proven.  Now,
> I am making a lot of assumptions based on your recent posts, which is not
> quite right of me.  However, where does Quality come in?
>
> And so, you understand light.  So tell me, at what speed would light
> consider itself to be traveling?  Here's a hint: speed equals distance (as
> experienced by the traveler) divided by time (as experienced by the
> traveler).  You take it from there.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Mark
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 2:51 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hi Dave,
> > But this is fucking "zen" of you Dave.
> >
> > i'm aware of the lightcircle experiment, was done for the first time by
> > John
> > Hedgecoe , a famous English fotographer.
> > Hm, the Holographic analogy, strange you mention it in a nerd-context ,
> > strange , because the pioneers work from one of your ancestors in
> relation
> > to pumped lasers, was leading to the holographic development.
> > I investigated your relative, and indeed, the work he was doeiing was
> very
> > performant and boundary stretching.
> >
> > The pumped lasers were my field homebase for many years. The interference
> > patterns delivered by the pumped lasers
> > in an opposite towards eachother pointed gunbarrel setup, created the
> > holographic possibilities.
> > I can build a ruby or an argonlaser or an yag-laser on my own merits ,
> but
> > they originate, Mainmann, Einstein, your ancestor.
> > Einstein was the cointosser for Maser/laser, he pointed out towards the
> > possibility.
> >
> > Pumped lasers can make a workaround for the measurementproblem,so a nobel
> > for this work was well earned.
> >
> > Quote DMB
> >
> > This metaphor breaks down at a certain "point" because that sparkler or
> > point of light is not solid thing or entity either.
> >
> > Well , not in physiks, light is a solid thing, moving ,but generating a
> > force, a light on a surface is generating a pressurediffernce
> > in opposite to shadow, lesser light , it can be measured , "it" is
> present
> > ,
> > light has a weight and a force.It is there.
> > This is commonly knowledge in science.
> >
> > Light cannot dissapear once it is generated, the entropycal nature of the
> > universe does not allow it , it can only degrade to heat, warmth, or
> other
> > radiation, energy can never dissapear again.
> >
> > So , strictly spoken, if you are an independant observer on a planet
> > removed
> > exactly 58 lightyears away from here
> > you will be able to witness the lightflash of "Ivy" the first nuclear
> > hydrogen bombexperiment of the Us, done on Eniwetok-atol
> > in 1952.
> > This is the time light took for itself to travel at lightspeed, 300.000
> > km/sec , to reach the observer planet.
> > The light is still there, still travelling, and it will appear to be new
> > for
> > the independant observer, i will deliver force, and look as a new
> > expierience, a moment in the present, 58 years old,....
> > The relative position of the observer.Strange? no.
> >
> >
> > The jewels.
> >
> > Yes , they are like the waves.
> >
> > There is no wave dependant or independant from the previous, all waves
> are
> > dependant and independant at the same moment in time.
> > This goes for sound waves, light waves, pressure waves, temperaturewave's
> ,
> > all waves show the same caracter, all waves
> > are responding to the uncertainty-principle.
> > Is a wave a representation of all other wave's? no and yes at the same
> > time,(Heisenberg), there is  no way around this.
> > No way, not since Einstein or Heisenberg.
> > The old man's last question was about the wave caracter of matter.
> > As in matter is energy and energy is matter, only the appearances are
> > different(entopical principle)
> > E= Mc 2, so it appears to be so that also matter is owning the
> > waveformcaracter.
> > (*as an aside, this is why i said earlier that quality comes in waves)
> >
> > (E )covers all energy, all light , all movement , from a droplet of water
> > to
> > an ocean's wave, the movement of planets
> > the movement of us, all movement , every last bit of it.Every universe.
> > M2 is mass square, it covers all mass, every rock, every grain of sand,
> > within or without the common universe, every leaf, every
> > weight , every tree. So ,E and  Mc 2 covers the entire universe in one
> > formula and  nothing is excluded.
> >
> >
> > So the function existence of Wiliam James, the proces is true and valid ,
> > energy is mass, mass is energy,light is darkness, and darkness is light,
> > conciounsness is in-coinciousness, rationality is irrationality, a proces
> > is
> > a non-proces at the same time.
> > Rationality cannot exist without irrationality, etc, expandable without
> > limitation.
> >
> > The squirrels.
> >
> > I'v had a peach tree for several years, a native one from Turkey,
> collected
> > myself in Selcuk, as a little plant, Selcuk, the cave of seven sleepers,
> > Hadrianus his library, the main street to Ephesos, The statue of arete.
> >
> > We take a little tin can, divide the peaches in two , and fill the can
> with
> > peaches , then add porto of 42 years old, then boil it on the
> > BBQ, let the peaches take the porto, allow the alcohol to boil in, the
> > result is superb, a native peach tree from Selcuk, Porto of 42 years old,
> > boil it in, and eat the peaches, ........this is so very "zen' of me,
> > fucking zen, "Zen" with a capital peach letter.
> >
> > 110 dollar for this bottle porto is not too much, the peaches are
> heavenly.
> > I also have a little vineyard. But that's another story.
> >
> > loved the squirrel analogy , Dave, thanks
> >
> >
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> >
> > 2010/10/15 david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dan said to Ron:
> > > I don't know for sure, but I would say that the selfless existence
> > doesn't
> > > mean denying the self so much as it means realizing the self doesn't
> > exist
> > > in light of the Buddha's teachings.
> > >
> > > dmb says:
> > > William James says that consciousness is not a thing or an entity but
> > > exists as a function, as a process. Alan Watts uses the image of a
> point
> > of
> > > light moving in a circular motion, like a sparkler on the fourth of
> july.
> > In
> > > the darkness, a steady motion can make that point look like a full
> > circle.
> > > To mistake the self as a thing or entity is like taking that point for
> a
> > > circle. This metaphor breaks down at a certain "point" because that
> > sparkler
> > > or point of light is not solid thing or entity either.
> > >
> > > And when you start to think of all the things that make consciousness
> > > possible - words, tongues, brains, sounds, gravity, food, mothers,
> > > evolution, etc, etc, etc forever - the notion that it is some one
> > particular
> > > "thing" starts to seem pretty absurd. You know, this is what the net of
> > > jewels image means. Each jewel reflects all the other jewels and is
> what
> > it
> > > is only in relation to all other jewels. Some people (nerds) prefer the
> > > holographic analogy. I mean, the idea of co-dependent arising applies
> to
> > the
> > > self just as much as any other "thing".
> > >
> > >
> > > Inspired by the recent discussion concerning quality in writing, I
> wrote
> > a
> > > poem. It's a meditation on my back yard and it came to me as I had a
> > > cigarette there just now. If it had a title it would be something like:
> > "NOT
> > > very fucking Zen of you, Dave!"
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > a peach tree grows
> > > squirrels skitter
> > > a garden hose
> > > becomes a weapon
> > > against hungry little thieves
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S. The peaches were awesome. We had a peach-picking dinner party for
> > some
> > > friends. I did not invite the squirrels.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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