[MD] The Grand Design

Mon Oct 18 01:15:56 PDT 2010

I will maintain my position, as i took earlier, i called you very
intelligent and decoherent in an alternating pattern.
this remains, you are not a liar , but you should work on the
diffraction,stay coherent,.

behaving is not in my intrest, but in your own intrest, we can be your
converstaionpartner , but not your mental coach.
greetz, Adrie

2010/10/18 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>

> Hi Andrie,
>
> Cynical and distrustful as always.  Now, it does not matter much to those
> in
> this forum, but yes, I did go to Hawkins' lectures while I was getting my
> Ph.D at Imperial College.  He would drop by now and again to a eager
> audience (of which I was one).  Perhaps you haven't heard of the Imperial
> College of Science Technology and Medicine on the other side of the pond in
> London.  Considered the top technological college in Europe, ranked in the
> top ten universities in the world, on par with Caltech, MIT, Harvard,
> Oxford, and whatever university Belgium can boast of.  Did my thesis
> defense
> at Oxford under H.A.O Hill and John Albery.  These names may not mean much
> to you but they are leaders in the fields of physical chemistry and
> inorganic biochemistry.  Hmmm.. still dubious?  Look it up, I was there
> starting in 1987 finishing in 1990, on a fast track.  Look at the class of
> 1990, I was the only Ph.D. in Biotechnology that year.  Name is Mark.
>
> OK, enough for trying to get some respect, I know it isn't coming, doesn't
> matter except for being called a liar.  It seems to me that you are manning
> his helpdesk, are you on the payroll?  Couldn't pay you enough in my
> opinion.
>
> Oh, and please, I want nothing more than your interaction, so I will
> behave.
>
> Cheers,
> Mark
>
> On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 12:01 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > I am not your enemy , Mark, and the distortion was wrong, because it is
> > wrong to set off on something that is not correct
> > from the beginning, better to tell you now.
> >
> > The expression on his face is called a sardonic laughter, induced by his
> > disease, its the laugh of someone with a tetanosinfection.
> > Pff, disproval of god, well, i think Hawking mentioned something like,
> "in
> > my calculations there is no place for a creator".
> > This is his opinion, not mine.
> > If you have a problem with that, write him a letter, i do not handle his
> > helpdesk.
> >
> > I think the only lecture you went to with Hawking, are these on youtube.
> > Stay consistent if you like further interaction, Mark.
> >
> > 2010/10/17 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>
> >
> > > OK, so I am being accused of distortion.  Fine.  It's good to have an
> > > enemy.
> > >
> > > If what you guys are suggesting is an attitude of humility and
> reverence,
> > > then I must add that I have been to lectures presented by Hawkins.  I
> can
> > > tell you that the expression on his face is one of arrogance and
> > disdain...
> > >
> > > There was in interview with the coauthor a few weeks ago on NPR or some
> > > affiliate.  There is no suggestion of humility there either.  My way or
> > the
> > > highway.  In fact the suggestion was of the disproval of God.  Now
> > Andrie,
> > > from reading the book, would you say this is correct?
> > >
> > > All in good fun,
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 11:32 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <parser666 at gmail.com
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > Nope, John, its not a carefull searching out , or sorting out, i did
> > read
> > > > the grand design, and he was conflicting the context.
> > > >
> > > > "We shall attempt", is correct. And Hawking will be the last to say
> > that
> > > it
> > > > is all figured out, "we shall attempt."
> > > >
> > > > Its useless to work with distorted material, John, there is no point
> in
> > > it.
> > > > Been reading back some archives, Mauritius caught my attention, you
> > > tossed
> > > > it, as an aside.
> > > > No , i don't think so, i don't need to catch you or Mark, i travelled
> > the
> > > > opposite island of Mauritius many times, Reunion, isle de la
> > > > reunion,..I always went to a place called Manapany-Les -Bains, if you
> > > want
> > > > to google it,very nice place to do big game fishing.
> > > >
> > > > So from there i went to Mauritius many times, so if you like points
> of
> > > > congruence to talk about , they are there, even in this , even in the
> > > > answer
> > > > you gave to me about
> > > > the value's of the bible or the answer you gave on 7th day
> > adventism-,it
> > > is
> > > > not because i do not comment on something that i do not think about
> it,
> > > > mind
> > > > this , i did not in any way act to ridiculise your answers.Or to
> > distort
> > > > them as given.
> > > >
> > > > So there is no catch to do, no nice catch,..i was reading the
> > interaction
> > > > Dan, John, to use some of your words, if you allow me
> > > > Their  highway, my lowway, etc,   ..this is my proposal, "the road
> > ahead
> > > of
> > > > us", our road , the solid road.
> > > > As a consideration, merely.
> > > >
> > > > Greetz, Adrie, the devils own
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2010/10/17 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> > > >
> > > > > Nice catch Adrie,
> > > > >
> > > > > Because I was about to go all ballastic on the fact that "42" is a
> > > > superior
> > > > > answer to the grand design, simply because it means we haven't got
> > the
> > > > > cosmos figured out and the only answer is the continual seeking.
> > > > >
> > > > > But your careful searching out "we shall attempt" blows that one
> out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > water.  Good for you.  (And Dr. Hawking)
> > > > >
> > > > > Reverend John
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Oct 17, 2010 at 7:32 AM, ADRIE KINTZIGER <
> > parser666 at gmail.com
> > > > > >wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >  As we promise in our opening chapter, unlike the
> > > > > > answer to the Ultimate Question of Life given in the
> *Hitchhiker’s
> > > > Guide
> > > > > to
> > > > > > the Galaxy*, the answer we provide in *The Grand Design* is not,
> > > > simply,
> > > > > > "42."
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Compared carefully with the original line, it is not simply a
> work
> > of
> > > > > > cut/copy paste, it is re-engineered
> > > > > > serving the purpose of distorting the original sentence.
> > > > > > Things are left out and the context/content is distorted.
> > > > > > Even if it is done on a purpose,...then You , Mark ,are not
> capable
> > > of
> > > > > > this,this is in the backgroundscenery of the postinglist-handed
> > over
> > > > > > realtered material. Re-editing like this is not acceptable.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quote Hawking-(literally), the grand design.
> > > > > > "This is the ultimate question of life, the universe and
> > everything.
> > > > > > We shall attempt to answer it in this book.
> > > > > > Unlike the answer given in the hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy,
> > ours
> > > > > won't
> > > > > > be simply '42'", end quote.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > He wrote , " we shall attempt", not the answer we provide.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Coherence , Mark, coherence.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2010/10/17 118 <ununoctiums at gmail.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hey John,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Looks like the answer is not 42.  This coming from the Grand
> > Wizard
> > > > > > > himself,
> > > > > > > see below.  Sorry to burst your bubble.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mark
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Editorial Reviews
> > > > > > > Amazon.com Review
> > > > > > > Stephen Hawking on The Grand Design
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > How can we understand the world in which we find ourselves?
> Over
> > > > twenty
> > > > > > > years ago I wrote *A Brief History of Time*, to try to explain
> > > where
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > universe came from, and where it is going. But that book left
> > some
> > > > > > > important
> > > > > > > questions unanswered. Why is there a universe--why is there
> > > something
> > > > > > > rather
> > > > > > > than nothing? Why do we exist? Why are the laws of nature what
> > they
> > > > > are?
> > > > > > > Did
> > > > > > > the universe need a designer and creator?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It was Einstein’s dream to discover the grand design of the
> > > universe,
> > > > a
> > > > > > > single theory that explains everything. However, physicists in
> > > > > Einstein’s
> > > > > > > day hadn’t made enough progress in understanding the forces of
> > > nature
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > that to be a realistic goal. And by the time I had begun
> writing
> > *A
> > > > > Brief
> > > > > > > History of Time*, there were still several key advances that
> had
> > > not
> > > > > yet
> > > > > > > been made that would prevent us from fulfilling Einstein’s
> dream.
> > > But
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > recent years the development of M-theory, the top-down approach
> > to
> > > > > > > cosmology, and new observations such as those made by
> satellites
> > > like
> > > > > > > NASA’s
> > > > > > > COBE and WMAP, have brought us closer than ever to that single
> > > > theory,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > to being able to answer those deepest of questions. And so
> > Leonard
> > > > > > Mlodinow
> > > > > > > and I set out to write a sequel to *A Brief History of Time* to
> > > > attempt
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > answer the Ultimate Question of Life, the Universe and
> > Everything.
> > > > The
> > > > > > > result is *The Grand Design*, the product of our four-year
> > effort.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In *The Grand Design* we explain why, according to quantum
> > theory,
> > > > the
> > > > > > > cosmos does not have just a single existence, or history, but
> > > rather
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > every possible history of the universe exists simultaneously.
> We
> > > > > question
> > > > > > > the conventional concept of reality, posing instead a
> > > > "model-dependent"
> > > > > > > theory of reality. We discuss how the laws of our particular
> > > universe
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > extraordinarily finely tuned so as to allow for our existence,
> > and
> > > > show
> > > > > > why
> > > > > > > quantum theory predicts the multiverse--the idea that ours is
> > just
> > > > one
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > many universes that appeared spontaneously out of nothing, each
> > > with
> > > > > > > different laws of nature. And we assess M-Theory, an
> explanation
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > laws
> > > > > > > governing the multiverse, and the *only* viable candidate for a
> > > > > complete
> > > > > > > "theory of everything." As we promise in our opening chapter,
> > > unlike
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > answer to the Ultimate Question of Life given in the
> > *Hitchhiker’s
> > > > > Guide
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > the Galaxy*, the answer we provide in *The Grand Design* is
> not,
> > > > > simply,
> > > > > > > "42."
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