[MD] Step One

[MarshaV]

Oh, you're attempting coherence again.  Good boy!   



On Oct 20, 2010, at 2:59 PM, ADRIE KINTZIGER wrote:

> John Carl
> aan moq_discuss
> 
> details weergeven 19:23 (27 minuten geleden)
> 
> Greetings, adrie.
> 
> To the first part, I will simply take you to be chiming in with dan's
> critique of my style.  Ok.  Got you. duly noted and when the audience is
> unhappy, the tomatoes rain from the balconey even, then certainly the artist
> must bow out, duck behind a curtain, stay off the stage.  Understood.
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> (Adrie)
> Nope,engaging is not chiming in, and no, its not about Dan's critique on
> your style.
> Its about sneaking out on the presented subject, by deviating the
> conversation
> to the subject of Bo,on a moment in time badly chosen, and solely for the
> purpose
> of deviating to something you want to throw in, clearly to associate Dan
> with the
> Bo-subject.
> Its a mechanism, like the mentionings in your last what? 50 posts of Horse's
> name-,completely
> off context-off topic, and without filling in the field, pointing the other
> listers attention
> to think about Horse as cause of your trouble, cause off Bo's trouble.
> Guiding the attention by association, suggestion and autosuggestion.
> You work the same way now , throwing in Mary's name, Marscha, Bo,
> Platt,...in the silent hope that
> they wil feel adressed and advocated on their behalfs, and hopefully will
> chime in to rescue you.
> Suggestion/autosuggestion.Trying to shelter in their armpits
> 
> No?
> 
> How many names are following after this? , in the following answers you
> gave?
> can you count?
> 
> Same goes for the deviation on the issue here, you deviate to the question
> about
> individuals to be excluded, but this was not the issue,and mind this, i made
> no question
> what so ever to exclude Bo, nor he is booted out, like you are implying
> here, very suggestive.
> Tell me, doe you like to know my opinion, Horse his opinion, or do you like
> to shove Bo's
> opinion, or mary's or marsha's up my ass?, ...
> Or is there, in the fog out there , a better answer?...like this , this is
> not the current issue!.
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> Second part, I would deal with the following construction on your part:
> 
> Adrie:
> 
> To be quit honest, i think you are trying to shelter in Bo's armpit, or
> Ham's, or platt's, .
> 
> John:
> 
> You think Adrie?  Or even Marsha's perhaps?  After all, it really isn't
> "bo's" beef anymore, is it.  He isn't here, and Marsha has adopted it.  So
> individuals might be excluded, but ideas evolve and persist.  An interesting
> phenomena, don't you think?  Perhaps we ought to really deal with it?  With
> Intellect, as defined, we have a big problem that Bo pointed out.  Not just
> Marsha.  But Platt, Mary and I also saw the problem, although I went on a
> different tack.
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> (Adrie)
> The defenitions of intellect.
> these are , in dictionary's, condensed models to formulate some aspects,
> hopefully the most important ones, but they will always remain condensed
> models.
> If Bo like's to attack a defenition in a dictionary, its his call, not mine.
> But again, hoping marsha, Mary or Bo will chime in because their points or
> issue's are raised,
> is your goal here.
> I cannot agree upon "we saw the problem," nope, Bo created the problem, you
> and mary tried to
> exploit it, export it, attaching value to it , in the hope to please Bo.
> It is merely a mindfucking game, delusional/obsessive and very recurrent.
> Once you have an obsession, its very difficult to get rid of it.
> 
> 
> * deal with it? , in the absense of the promotor? to become obsessive? no
> thanks.
> trying to shelter in a case that is not a case, hoping Bo will chime in,
> ....
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> John
> I do that, sometimes.  Take an unexpected tack, go off on my own tangent or
> follow my own individual urges.  You know what I don't do, Adrie?  I don't
> shelter in anybody's armpit.  I stand on my own thoughts and words and you
> can shove your "armpit" up where the son don't shine.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Adrie:
> 
> Ps , i'm not very confident anymore that you even did read or understand
> "LILA", same goes for Bo, what Dan is saying, and Dave
> about the lilac's is true, and i was aware of it,.
> 
> John:
> 
> You think knowing something is all about sniffing the lilacs Adrie?  This is
> so tiresome, to repeat myself and have to explain the same thing over and
> over.
> 
> So I won't.
> 
> I'll let you test me, instead.  Ask me a question about Lila.  See if I
> understand it.  Judge according to your skill and understanding, MY
> conceptions of Lila - what each passage portends, ask me the meaning of a
> narrative that seemingly wanders, goes so far astray, we start with Indians
> and we end up with a woman of questionable morals, picked up in a bar.  What
> could be the possible meaning of such a narrative?  How is it that an
> ongoing enquiry can be so easily led astray?
> 
> A struggle just as alive today and in us, as anything else we "experience".
> 
> 
> Go ahead, Adrie.  Ask me about Lila. O double-dog dare you.
> 
> Adrie:
> 
> .i strongly suspect that
> you will try to advokate Bo back in to make YOU look like a lesser fool.
> 
> 
> John:
> 
> You look like a fool to suggest such a thing.  How could I look like a
> lesser fool than a be a man who praises foolishness?  duh?
> 
> I advocate Bo back because I believe in Loyalty and Community and Bo put
> more of himself into MD for more years than almost anybody.  Sure, it could
> be annoying to always have this strong windy opinion blowing, but any sailor
> knows that a strong dependable wind can be a good thing.
> 
> Unless it's blowing out of the exactly wrong direction.  Which I guess is
> debatable.  Which is why Marsha's point is worthy of more debate.  Imo.
> 
> Not that the opinion of a clown means anything, admittedly.
> 
> Adrie:
> 
> Don't bother to try, you can never reach to Bo's knees
> 
> John:
> 
> At last you speak wisdom.  I cannot attain to his stature.  I can attain
> foolishness.  I aim for the possible.
> 
> 
> You watch your aim and I'll watch mine.
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------
> (Adrie)
> only in this last part i can see some honesty, i did not comment on it , nor
> on the one-liners,
> nor on the duh's, i know you like to read yourself, so i left them intact.
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> 2010/10/20 John Carl <ridgecoyote at gmail.com>
> 
>> Greetings, adrie.
>> 
>> To the first part, I will simply take you to be chiming in with dan's
>> critique of my style.  Ok.  Got you. duly noted and when the audience is
>> unhappy, the tomatoes rain from the balconey even, then certainly the
>> artist
>> must bow out, duck behind a curtain, stay off the stage.  Understood.
>> 
>> Second part, I would deal with the following construction on your part:
>> 
>> Adrie:
>> 
>> To be quit honest, i think you are trying to shelter in Bo's armpit, or
>> Ham's, or platt's, .
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> You think Adrie?  Or even Marsha's perhaps?  After all, it really isn't
>> "bo's" beef anymore, is it.  He isn't here, and Marsha has adopted it.  So
>> individuals might be excluded, but ideas evolve and persist.  An
>> interesting
>> phenomena, don't you think?  Perhaps we ought to really deal with it?  With
>> Intellect, as defined, we have a big problem that Bo pointed out.  Not just
>> Marsha.  But Platt, Mary and I also saw the problem, although I went on a
>> different tack.
>> 
>> I do that, sometimes.  Take an unexpected tack, go off on my own tangent or
>> follow my own individual urges.  You know what I don't do, Adrie?  I don't
>> shelter in anybody's armpit.  I stand on my own thoughts and words and you
>> can shove your "armpit" up where the son don't shine.
>> 
>> 
>> Adrie:
>> 
>> Ps , i'm not very confident anymore that you even did read or understand
>> "LILA", same goes for Bo, what Dan is saying, and Dave
>> about the lilac's is true, and i was aware of it,.
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> You think knowing something is all about sniffing the lilacs Adrie?  This
>> is
>> so tiresome, to repeat myself and have to explain the same thing over and
>> over.
>> 
>> So I won't.
>> 
>> I'll let you test me, instead.  Ask me a question about Lila.  See if I
>> understand it.  Judge according to your skill and understanding, MY
>> conceptions of Lila - what each passage portends, ask me the meaning of a
>> narrative that seemingly wanders, goes so far astray, we start with Indians
>> and we end up with a woman of questionable morals, picked up in a bar.
>> What
>> could be the possible meaning of such a narrative?  How is it that an
>> ongoing enquiry can be so easily led astray?
>> 
>> A struggle just as alive today and in us, as anything else we "experience".
>> 
>> 
>> Go ahead, Adrie.  Ask me about Lila. O double-dog dare you.
>> 
>> Adrie:
>> 
>> .i strongly suspect that
>> you will try to advokate Bo back in to make YOU look like a lesser fool.
>> 
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> You look like a fool to suggest such a thing.  How could I look like a
>> lesser fool than a be a man who praises foolishness?  duh?
>> 
>> I advocate Bo back because I believe in Loyalty and Community and Bo put
>> more of himself into MD for more years than almost anybody.  Sure, it could
>> be annoying to always have this strong windy opinion blowing, but any
>> sailor
>> knows that a strong dependable wind can be a good thing.
>> 
>> Unless it's blowing out of the exactly wrong direction.  Which I guess is
>> debatable.  Which is why Marsha's point is worthy of more debate.  Imo.
>> 
>> Not that the opinion of a clown means anything, admittedly.
>> 
>> Adrie:
>> 
>> Don't bother to try, you can never reach to Bo's knees
>> 
>> John:
>> 
>> At last you speak wisdom.  I cannot attain to his stature.  I can attain
>> foolishness.  I aim for the possible.
>> 
>> 
>> You watch your aim and I'll watch mine.
>> 
>> 
>> John
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