[MD] Step One

[MarshaV]

On Oct 21, 2010, at 2:33 PM, 118 wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> No reason to be so defensive.

Marsha:
I was not getting a bit defensive.  Why should I?  


>  I am sure that you have read neti-neti, it
> shows in your posts.  All I am saying is that it is an insufficient rational
> description.  I can find many things on Google which would disprove your
> assertion of using it in MoQ.  In fact there is no reason for you to read
> any of these posts since they can all be found someplace with Google .
>  Google is a dangerous thing which is why we have this forum to clarify.
> Everything you find on there will both support and refute your position.
> Wiki is a favorite, and Google often seems to place it at the top of a
> search.  Does not that seem suspicious to you in terms of net neutrality?
> 
> My objection is using neti-neti in the form of denial.  If this is Dan's
> statement then I stand corrected in directing the post to you.  

Marsha:
They were both my statements.


> But the
> question to you still remains.  How is MOQ described by neti-neti.  You are
> the one using it, don't deflect the question to me.  If these words do not
> represent the ultimate reality, then add some more words to bring us along.
> Statements followed by explanation is all I am seeking.  Certainly you do
> not have to participate in my education, and if using a megaphone is your
> method so be it or not be it, (that is the question).

Marsha:
I never stated that the MoQ could be described by neti-neti.  I was saying to 
Dan that all this talk it not Quality(Ultimate Truth).

I do not understand your complaint?  


Marsha
 
 

> 
> Regards as always,
> Mark
> 
> On Thu, Oct 21, 2010 at 10:25 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 21, 2010, at 12:55 PM, 118 wrote:
>> 
>>> [Dan previously]
>>> I can agree with you that when all is said and done, 'not this, not that'
>>> rules.
>>> 
>>> [Marsh in response]
>>> It is none of these things, not this, not that..
>>> 
>>> [Mark carefully interrupting]
>>> 
>>> Hi  Marsha,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think you are being misleading by saying it is none of these things.
>> In
>>> my opinion it is all of these things as proposed by not this, not that.
>> In
>>> that way I agree with Dan.
>> 
>> That was not Dan previously, but Marsha previously and I wished to
>> re-emphasis my statement.
>> 
>> 
>>> It is easy for one to muddy the waters when one
>>> brings in an Eastern philosophy that we do not have a full appreciation
>> of.
>> 
>> I'm certainly not the only person who has investigated Eastern philosophy,
>> and there is such thing as a question or google search.
>> 
>> 
>>> If the intent is to harmonize MOQ with such then, not this, not that has
>> to
>>> be used in a constructive fashion.  By saying it is not this, not that,
>> you
>>> are conveying a description, not denying one.
>> 
>> I'm not sure of your objection.  Why do you agree with my first statement
>> and
>> not my second?
>> 
>> 
>>> It is not useful to use such a statement as a conclusion, it is a
>> positive
>>> quality which has its own properties open for discussion.
>> 
>> If you mean "It is none of these things" please explain why you think it
>> was not useful.  It was a remark made to Dan.  I'm sorry do not approve.
>> I have read 'neti-neti' explained many different ways.  Maybe you have
>> exact set of words you'd like to recommend.  Let's hear them.
>> 
>> 
>>> The goal would be to add words to describe such properties.  I know it's
>>> difficult, but use different words so the rest of us can understand what
>>> you are proposing.
>> 
>> I am saying these words do not represent the UltimateTruth/Quality.  I
>> thought
>> Dan might understand after all his Zen sitting.  And don't ask me to
>> explain
>> what is beyond words.    I will only dance away...
>> 
>> 
>> Marsha
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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