[MD] Step One

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Hi Andre,
Some comments below for discussion.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:00 AM, Andre Broersen <andrebroersen at gmail.com>wrote:

> Mark to Andre:
>
> Yes, Andre, this is a bottoms up approach.  I am not sure I agree with it.
>
> How is flux stable?
>
> Andre:
> Yes Mark, you did well to place loads of question marks to this post as,
> having re-read, it is very poorly written.
> Please just disregard it as I think that similar issues which motivated me
> to write this in the first place will undoubtedly come up again.
>

[Mark]
 Sorry if my command of grammar is not up to snuff.  I wouldn't get into a
grammar debate if I were you.  Yes, it did just come up, you brought it up.
 I was discussing it, you do not have to discuss it if you care not to, I
understand.  So, how is flux stable?

>
> One thing though, when you say: 'And I wouldn't call Quality an event, if
> anything it creates events'.
> I would refer you to ZMM p 233:
> 'Quality is not a thing. It is an event...Quality is the event at which
> awareness of both subjects and objects is made possible.
>

[Mark]
 Good quote, perhaps the grammar is not very leading there...  Yes, Quality
is THE event if you want to put it that way.  The term event has many
philosophical synonyms.  My opinion is that you are not using it in the
right way.  I would prefer the term wedstrijd to gebeurtenis.

>
> And on p245:
> 'Quality is the continuing stimulus which our environment puts upon us to
> create the world in which we live. All of it. Every last bit of it'.
>

[Mark]
Yes, it creates events.  Stimulus is appropriate if we are the stimulated.
 Please note that it also says that we create the world, all of it, and are
not created by it.  This would support my so called top down suggestion.

>
> Needless to say that in LILA Phaedrus has re-defined 'subjects' and
> 'objects' as patterns of value.
>

[Mark]
How would you define patterns of value?  Just asking so that I can converse
with you.

Thanks,
Mark

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