[MD] Step One

[MarshaV]

Hi Mark,

I didn't think much of of the web pages.  For me decontextualize means 
removing and isolating a process from it's interdependencies to make it 
an object of analysis.  


Marsha 









On Oct 23, 2010, at 12:55 PM, 118 wrote:

> Hi Marsha,
> Thanks for your help in my search.  I found the following web page on
> decontexualization.
> 
> http://www.unm.edu/~devalenz/handouts/decontext2.html
> 
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Hi Mark,
>> 
>> Here is how I interpret, based on how they function,  the Intellectual
>> (SOM) Level:
>> 
>> 
>> The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns
>> of value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that
>> these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their
>> rational analysis and manipulation.  Reification decontextualizes.
>> Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework
>> creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a
>> “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is a formalized
>> subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational,
>> objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like
>> emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and
>> research in an unbiased and rational manner.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
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>> Marsha
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>> On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:40 AM, MarshaV wrote:
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>>> Correct interrupted to be interpreted.
>>> 
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>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, 118 wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> inferred that you were reasoning that Quality was analogous to not
>> this,
>>>>>> not that.  Clearly I was mistaken.  You were simply stating that
>> Quality
>>>>> can
>>>>>> not be described with words.  OK, I get it.  How is it then that you
>>>>> discuss
>>>>>> it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Marsha:
>>>>> The point is I don't talk about it.  Using intellect to talk about
>> Quality,
>>>>> reifies it,
>>>>> and it is not this, not that.  I experience it as unpatterned, and
>>>>> patterned flow,
>>>>> after that nothing fits well.  If you want to talk about Intellectual
>> Level
>>>>> patterns,
>>>>> or Social Level patterns, or Biological Level patterns, or Inorganic
>> Level
>>>>> patterns, I think there is lots to consider and discuss.
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The point is that while you do not talk about it, you certainly write
>> about
>>>> it, unless you are in the wrong forum.  Your description of experience
>> is
>>>> shorthand at best  There are at least four words there that need
>>>> interpretation (and one of those is not "I", which can also be
>> included).
>>>> So, let's talk about the expression of quality in the subjects you
>>>> reference above.  You can consider it not really talking about Quality
>> if
>>>> that makes more sense to you.
>>>> 
>>>> Mark
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Mark,
>>> 
>>> The Dynamic aspect of Quality is unknowable, indivisible, undefinable.
>>> 
>>> Static patterns of value are ever-changing, relative, impermanent
>>> habit that is able to be conceptualized.
>>> 
>>> The four levels are interpreted  and defined with slight differences
>>> dependent on an individuals past static pattern history.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Marsha
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