[MD] Tea Bagging

[Platt Holden]

Hi Steve,

Your logic is a bit strained don't you think? We're talking politics here,
not scientific
theories or personal tastes in pets.

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 5:31 PM, Steven Peterson
<peterson.steve at gmail.com>wrote:

> I heard the NAZIs not only recognized the advances that the common man
> made under Roosevelt's New Deal but also thought Einstein was smart.
> If true, that must mean that Eisenstein was a NAZI and the theory of
> relativity is pure fascism. I also heard that some NAZIs liked dogs,
> therefore, liking dogs is fascist.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 4:21 PM, Platt Holden <plattholden at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > "In 1934 the Volkischer Beobachter, the Nazi Party official newspaper,
> > described Roosevelt as a man of 'irreproachable, extremely responsible
> > character and immovable will' and a 'warmhearted leader of the people
> with a
> > profound understanding of social needs.' The paper emphasized that
> > Roosevelt, through his New Deal, had 'eliminated the uninhibited frenzy
> of
> > the market speculation' of the previous decade by adopting 'National
> > Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies."   --
> > Goldberg, "Liberal Fascism," p.147
> >
> > Takes one to know one.
> >
> > Platt
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 12:01 PM, david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Horse said to Platt:
> >> ...When will you stop with the propaganda and bluster? The Nazis,
> whatever
> >> the nickname, were right-wing, not left-wing and all  your blustering to
> >> avoid your own right-wing bias won't hide that fact. A couple of groups
> you
> >> conveniently left out below are the capitalists and corporatists which,
> as
> >> Steve pointed out via Mussolini, are the  beneficiaries of the fascist
> >> legacy.
> >>
> >> dmb says:
> >> I think that's right. As Pirsig paints it, fascism is essentially a
> >> rejection of intellectual values and a glorification of social level
> values.
> >> And as just about any political scientist or historian will tell you,
> >> political positions just don't get any more right wing than fascism
> (except
> >> maybe a Monarchist) and fascists hate leftists more than anything.
> >>
> >> There are some differences between the various kinds of fascism;
> Italian,
> >> German, Spanish or whatever. But, unless you are tone-deaf to cultural
> >> attitudes, the affinities and similarities are pretty darn obvious. As I
> >> mentioned the other day, for example, the right-wing Dutch politician
> (Geert
> >> Wilders) joined several of our own right-wing politicians at ground zero
> in
> >> Manhattan and they all made the same anti-Islamic noises for the same
> >> right-wing reasons. And there is the right-wing radio preacher from
> Royal
> >> Oak, Michigan who supported and admired Hitler and Mussolini back in the
> >> 1930's. Pat Buchanan (no relation) ran for President as a Republican a
> few
> >> cycles ago. He grew up in a house where Mussolini was admired and
> >> Mussolini's portrait was proudly hung on the walls.
> >>
> >> As Pirsig pointed out, fascism in America was not so intense as in
> Europe.
> >> They didn't have to resist full-blown communism either. In the U.S.,
> social
> >> level anti-intellectualism manifest itself as opposition to FDR's New
> Deal.
> >> And when you look at today's political situation, it's quite obvious
> that
> >> the Liberals want to protect and build upon the New Deal while the
> >> Republicans have been doing everything they can to dismantle it. I mean,
> >> just look at who's afraid of Health Insurance Reform. Who thinks such
> >> programs are scary, scary, socialism? Who is running against it as we
> speak?
> >> In this country, right-wingers have always opposed these things. There
> is an
> >> 80 year track record that makes fascist attitudes and positions pretty
> easy
> >> to spot.
> >>
> >> For our "low information" friends, here's a little Wiki on the European
> >> strain:
> >>
> >> Fascism is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology.
> >> Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist
> perspectives,
> >> values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.
> Fascism
> >> was originally founded by Italian national syndicalists in World War I
> who
> >> combined left-wing and right-wing political views, but it gravitated to
> the
> >> political right in the early 1920s. Scholars generally consider fascism
> to
> >> be on the far right of the conventional left-right political spectrum.
> >> Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires
> strong
> >> leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to
> commit
> >> violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong. They claim
> that
> >> culture is created by the collective national society and its state,
> that
> >> cultural ideas are what give individuals identity, and thus they reject
> >> individualism. Viewing the nation as an integrated collective community,
> >> they see pluralism as a dysfunctional aspect of society, and justify a
> >> totalitarian state as a means to represent the nation in its entirety.
> >> They advocate the creation of a single-party state. Fascists reject and
> >> resist the autonomy of cultural or ethnic groups who are not considered
> part
> >> of the fascists' nation and who refuse to assimilate or are unable to be
> >> assimilated. They consider attempts to create such autonomy as an
> affront
> >> and a threat to the nation. Fascist governments forbid and suppress
> >> opposition to the fascist state and the fascist movement. They identify
> >> violence and war as actions that create national regeneration, spirit
> and
> >> vitality.
> >> Fascism rejects the concepts of egalitarianism, materialism, and
> >> rationalism in favor of action, discipline, hierarchy, spirit, and will.
> >> They oppose liberalism (as a bourgeois movement) and Marxism (as a
> >> proletarian movement) for being exclusive economic class-based
> movements.
> >> Fascists present their ideology as that of an economically trans-class
> >> movement that promotes ending economic class conflict to secure national
> >> solidarity.
> >>
> >>
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