[MD] Tea Bagging

[Ian Glendinning]

Horse said to Mark
Have you never heard of the wolf in sheep's clothing or that
politicians (and certain folk around here) tell lies?

I don't know why I bother. As I keep pointing out it's not "lies",
it's institutionalised hypocrisy and neuroses (SOM for short). Normal
and necessary for SOM to work, since it is not possible for SOMism to
be complete and consistent internally. SOM is the institution that
needs breaking.

Ian

On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Horse <horse at darkstar.uk.net> wrote:
>  Hi Mark
>
>
> Horse
>
> On 23/10/2010 06:01, 118 wrote:
>>
>> Hi Horse,
>> Now, I am not a historian but I have read a few books, The Rise and the
>> Fall
>> of the Third Reich being one of them.  My father lived through the war in
>> Holland and I have had many discussions with him.   In my opinion Platt is
>> correct in saying that the Nazi party (NSP) started as a socialist party.
>>  It named itself the German Worker's Party, which has obvious socialist
>> overtones.  The party came to power due to a depression.  The NSP promised
>> the middle class it would fix all the problems (never said how).  The NSP
>> had an extensive welfare system (also a socialist premise), which gave
>> them
>> more power.  Living conditions for the masses improved under the NSP.
>>
>> Fascism can have benign connotations if we separate it from the war
>> atrocities. In fact Italian fascism was quite popular, and Mussolini was a
>> socialist journalist.  The economic model is that all production is in the
>> control of the government, or very large corporations (socialist).
>>
>> Hegel followers and others were looking for an alternative to common
>> socialism with many of the same attributes.  They thought fascism it would
>> result in harmony between social classes (also a socialist ideal).  It was
>> a
>> top down approach, which is also socialist.    All of these words now have
>> different meanings due to the ghastly war, but these Germans and Italians
>> were not stupid, they were indeed looking for a better society.
>>
>> But unfortunately (and I will end with a poem by Robert Burns):
>>
>> The best laid schemes of mice and men
>> Go often askew.
>> And leave us nothing but grief and pain,
>> For promised joy!
>>
>> Be skeptical of the intellect...
>>
>> It's all on the Internet
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark
>>
>>
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