[MD] Step One

[MarshaV]

Moi?      

"This Cartesian 'Me,' this autonomous little homunculus who sits behind our eyeballs looking out through them in order to pass judgment on the affairs of the world, is just completely ridiculous. This self-appointed little editor of reality is just an impossible fiction that collapses the moment one examines it. This Cartesian 'Me' is a software reality, not a hardware reality. This body on the left and this body on the right are running variations of the same program, the same 'Me,' which doesn't belong to either of them. The 'Me's' are simply a program format.

Talk about aliens from another planet. This program based on 'Me's' and 'We's' is the alien. 'We' has only been here for a few thousand years or so. But these bodies that 'We' has taken over were around for ten times that long before 'We' came along. And the cells - my God, the cells have been around for thousands of times that long."
   (LILA, Chapter 15)  

    





On Oct 24, 2010, at 2:58 PM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Mark to Dan:
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> Well, then, my only response is:  Go back to your master, you effing
> rottweiler!  You want it your way, there's a nice big bowl of dog food
> waiting for you under the table, snarf it up, it will make you happy.   Stop
> your pathetic snarling on these airwaves!  Don't come back until you have
> something productive to bark about!  Go now, shoo,shoo.  That's a good boy.
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> Mark to Ian:
> What kind of controls does the UK place on its private insurance carriers?
> It's only an argument if you want it to be. Left, right, left, right,
> left, right ...
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> Marsha:
> promoting youtube for the zillionth time.
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> Mark:
> I like Ham's notion of accepting and seeing where it leads.  However, being
> the biochemist I am, I look for cause.  What divides the subject object?
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> Do words create Value?
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> Horse:
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> I've tried to avoid getting dragged into the stupidity of what's been
> going on here but obviously haven't done a very good job.
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> So folks, on those threads that have degenerated into political
> name-calling, left-right disputations etc. I am requesting that they
> come to a close now.
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> Andre:
> Mark obviously does not belong on this discuss. To respond to Dan like that is showing nothing but contempt on top of a waste-full ignorance of what the messages, as revealed through ZMM and LILA, are.
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> You, Mark, as a self proclaimed scientist, feed the likes of Marsha, Ham, Bodvar  and Platt through your confirmation and obvious inability of getting away from the SOM way of dealing with things ( and I do mean 'dealing' and 'things' in the way they are intended). Dealing with the given (whilst you seem to have no idea that you are the one actively participating in creating the given)...as things confronting you.( this is a stance dating back to Newton/Locke times)
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> It supports Dan's observation that you have obviously not understood either ZMM nor LILA.
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> The MOQ points the finger towards this process yet, you are oblivious. Yes, your intellect is SOM.
> It seems to me that you find it difficult to see SOM as one way of looking at the world disregarding other ways of looking at the world. You seem to me to be a true representative of the dominant Western paradigm...and are willing to create the most wonderful arguments (political)to sustain this paradigm.
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> What are you hoping to achieve by being here on a discuss talking about Mr. Pirsig's MOQ?( Not yours, not mine, not Marsha's or Platt's nor Arlo's or dmb's or Horse's or Adrie's or Ron's, or Steve or Ian, or Graig's)...no Mr. Pirsig's.
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> The MOQ is supposed to be 'above' politics. It is supposedly pointing towards a rational foundation of reconciling seeming opposites. Of late, I have seen nothing but oppositional bunkers being created and being fired from.
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> And who are getting shot? The fucking messengers. The likes of Mr. Pirsig (!), dmb, Dan, Anthony and Horse (who is trying to protect the messengers and copping flack for it...and this has nothing to do with Horse [ultimately] paying the electricity bill I am sure...this is so low!).
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> Imho, I think we are in a sorry, sad and shameful state of affairs.
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