[MD] Step One

[X Acto]

interesting to note yet again-

"Greco-Buddhism, sometimes spelled Graeco-Buddhism, 
refers to the cultural syncretism between Hellenistic 
culture and Buddhism, which developed between the 4th 
century BCE and the 5th century CE in the area covered
 by the Indian sub-continent, and modern Afghanistan, 
Pakistan and north-western border regions of modern India,
 namely western portions of Jammu and Kashmir. It was a
 cultural consequence of a long chain of interactions
 begun by Greek forays into India from the time of 
Alexander the Great, carried further by the establishment 
of Indo-Greek rule in the area for some centuries, and 
extended during flourishing of the Hellenized empire of 
the Kushans.Greco-Buddhism influenced 
the artistic, and perhaps the spiritual framework, 
developments of Buddhism, particularly Mahayana Buddhism,
 founded in India, which represents one of the two main 
branches of Buddhism.[1]"


 
----- Original Message ----
From: david buchanan <dmbuchanan at hotmail.com>
To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
Sent: Sat, October 23, 2010 1:35:36 PM
Subject: Re: [MD] Step One


"This threefold dependence is not intuitively obvious, for it is concealed by 
the appearance of phenomena as being self-sufficient and independent of 
conceptual designation. On the basis of these misleading appearances it is quite 
natural to think of, or conceptually apprehend, phenomena as self-defining 
things in themselves. This tendency is known as reification, and according to 
the Madhyamaka view, this is an inborn delusion that provides the basis for a 
host of mental afflictions. Reification decontextualizes. It views phenomena 
without regard to the causal nexus in which they arise, and without regard to 
the specific means of observation and conceptualization by which they are known. 
The Madhyamaka, or Centrist, view is so called because it seeks to avoid the two 
extremes of reifying phenomena on the one hand, and of denying the existence of 
phenomena on the other."

Parrots squawk and
peoples think.
Echo's fate and
Narcissus' link. 



> Date: Sat, 23 Oct 2010 09:55:34 -0700
> From: ununoctiums at gmail.com
> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
> Subject: Re: [MD] Step One
> 
> Hi Marsha,
> Thanks for your help in my search.  I found the following web page on
> decontexualization.
> 
> http://www.unm.edu/~devalenz/handouts/decontext2.html
> 
> Let me know what you think.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mark
> 
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2010 at 8:20 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> > Here is how I interpret, based on how they function,  the Intellectual
> > (SOM) Level:
> >
> >
> > The Intellectual Level, the fourth level, is comprised of static patterns
> > of value such as theology, mathematics, science and philosophy. The way that
> > these patterns function is as reified concepts and the rules for their
> > rational analysis and manipulation.  Reification decontextualizes.
> >  Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework
> > creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence as a
> > “thing” or an “object of analysis.”  The fourth level is a formalized
> > subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational,
> > objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity like
> > emotions, inclinations, fears and compulsions in order to pursue, study and
> > research in an unbiased and rational manner.
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > Marsha
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Oct 23, 2010, at 3:40 AM, MarshaV wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Correct interrupted to be interpreted.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:16 PM, 118 wrote:
> > >
> > >> On Fri, Oct 22, 2010 at 7:09 AM, MarshaV <valkyr at att.net> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Oct 22, 2010, at 1:44 AM, 118 wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> inferred that you were reasoning that Quality was analogous to not
> > this,
> > >>>> not that.  Clearly I was mistaken.  You were simply stating that
> > Quality
> > >>> can
> > >>>> not be described with words.  OK, I get it.  How is it then that you
> > >>> discuss
> > >>>> it?
> > >>>
> > >>> Marsha:
> > >>> The point is I don't talk about it.  Using intellect to talk about
> > Quality,
> > >>> reifies it,
> > >>> and it is not this, not that.  I experience it as unpatterned, and
> > >>> patterned flow,
> > >>> after that nothing fits well.  If you want to talk about Intellectual
> > Level
> > >>> patterns,
> > >>> or Social Level patterns, or Biological Level patterns, or Inorganic
> > Level
> > >>> patterns, I think there is lots to consider and discuss.
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> The point is that while you do not talk about it, you certainly write
> > about
> > >> it, unless you are in the wrong forum.  Your description of experience
> > is
> > >> shorthand at best  There are at least four words there that need
> > >> interpretation (and one of those is not "I", which can also be
> > included).
> > >> So, let's talk about the expression of quality in the subjects you
> > >> reference above.  You can consider it not really talking about Quality
> > if
> > >> that makes more sense to you.
> > >>
> > >> Mark
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Mark,
> > >
> > > The Dynamic aspect of Quality is unknowable, indivisible, undefinable.
> > >
> > > Static patterns of value are ever-changing, relative, impermanent
> > > habit that is able to be conceptualized.
> > >
> > > The four levels are interpreted  and defined with slight differences
> > > dependent on an individuals past static pattern history.
> > >
> > >
> > > Marsha
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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