[MD] Step One

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On 25 Oct 2010 at 9:35, Andre Broersen wrote:

Platt to Mark:

In the Metaphysics of Quality, the source of concepts such as SOM is
Dynamic Quality. DQ  is the source of all things.

Andre:
I stand corrected here Platt but this does not seem quite right. Yes, as 
Phaedrus puts it in ZMM
'The Quality event is the cause of the subjects and the objects,...' but this 
does not yet make for a
[subject-object] metaphysics. SOM emerged out of the observation with which 
Phaedrus concludes the sentence:'... which are then mistakenly presumed to be 
the cause of Quality!'. (ZMM, p234)

SOM does not acknowledge DQ. It suggests that the basic stuff 'composing' 
reality are subjects and objects full stop...and that Quality is an attribute 
of subjects and objects. This is backwards.

'The dilemma all the time had this unseen vile presumption in it, for which 
there was no logical justification, that Quality was the effect of subjects and 
objects. It was not!He brought out his knife.
'The sun of Quality' he wrote 'does not revolve around the subjects and objects 
of our existence. It does not passively illuminate them. It is not subordinate 
to them in any way.It has created them. They are subordinate to it'(ibid)


Hi Andre,

You may be right, of course, but as I see it there was no metaphysics of 
subject and objects before Pirsig identified it as such. Further, SOM is a fall 
out of DQ, like all value patterns are. Finally, Pirsig's identification and 
observations about the nature of SOM resulted from his response to DQ which, as 
you know, is the creative moral force and, as Pirsig has written, "the source 
of all things." (Lila, 9) 

Platt.