[MD] Science - Delusions in Search of Theory

[ADRIE KINTZIGER]

Well, okay, i did read it again, to reconsider, re-balance it.
(only as an aside, i took Arlo's points about the Amish in
consideration,because
in an earlier thread , setting time 100 years back was mentioned by you ,
Ian)


Ian
"-adding value to the content of the arguments-"

Adrie
This is not really Angell's strongest point, exept for stirring up
controverse's i cannot
see him providing solutions for the so called imbalance.

Handing over a so called problem is one thing, tossing in solutions another.

There is a name for this used technique, it is called demagogy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demagogy    ( Father coughlin was one of them)

so i maintain my position,but adding this as fine-tuning

He (angell) is a demagog,in the disguise of a religious fanatic.

One more thing to toss in, i consider Pirsig's, James ,etc , their work as
science.
Good thread anyway.



2010/10/29 Ian Glendinning <ian.glendinning at gmail.com>

> A question of balance ?
>
> Tell me, how many of you listened to the Thinking Allowed piece before
> reading the web page ? And how many vice versa ?
>
> How much of people's hearing and reading really reflects the attitude
> they bring to the piece. (I did remark  on this earlier .... that 95%
> of discourse on MD seems to be people expressing their attitude to the
> people they are "arguing" with rather than adding value to the content
> of any argument. Even those whose positions I sympathize with the ...
> socialist intellectual / social democrat types clearly ... DMB, Arlo,
> Horse. But smugness is ugly whichever side you're on. )
>
> For sure, if I'd read that page in isolation before hearing the
> interview - my attitude to Angell would undoubtedly have been
> different. Even now I question how "agnostic" he is. But as a
> self-proclaimed agnostic, correcting the interviewer who asked if he
> was promoting faith as an alternative to science, he his hardly a
> religious fanatic.
>
> Scientism is as dangerous as religious fanaticism.
> Anti-fanaticism is still fanaticism, and smells as sweet.
>
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