[MD] From Psychology to Empiricism

[MarshaV]

Andre,

I understand the MoQ to Quality(unpatterned experience/patterned experience).  I understand static patterns one way, you understand them another.   Intellectual Static Patterns of Value are reified concepts and the rules for their rational analysis and manipulation.  Intellectual patterns process from a subject/object conceptual framework creating false boundaries that give the illusion of independence, or 'thingness'. The fourth level is a formalized subject/object level (SOM), where the paramount demand is for rational, objective knowledge, which is free from the taint of any subjectivity.

As far as I know intellectual patterns are as I stated above, and I have seen no evidence to the contrary.   Have you presented an intellectual pattern that transcends a subject/object representation of reality, excluding art which may use intellectual patterns but also makes use of inorganic, biological and social patterns and often goes beyond.  Where is your evidence?  Let's see you demonstrate an intellectual pattern that does not reify concepts, that does not create a self involved in analyzing such concepts, or does not represent the rules for such manipulation?  You cannot do it, because the minute you've begun you have divided and formed an object and an analyzing self.  


Marsha

 




On Sep 3, 2010, at 12:50 PM, Andre Broersen wrote:

> Marsha to Andre:
> 
> "As mentioned above, Pirsig considers any philosophy that asserts that reality is composed from mind or matter or a combination of both is an SOM philosophy."
>    (McWatt, PhD Thesis 2005, p119)
> 
> Andre:
> So what are you saying Marsha? Or are you, as ever, continuing your soliloquize?
> 
> The point of the whole thing is that reality is to be found in EXPERIENCE...and as soon as you are trying to find it and have found it, it is gone. Reality isn't 'composed' of anything. Do you need your SOL shit to have that confirmed? Christ almighty, for fuck sake, do not bother us with the 'I miss Bo' crap!
> 
> Pirsig 'observed' in passing...what had happened (and he named it SOM) and you, and Bo, and Mary have stuck to that as Revelation itself. For goodness sake...this is the MOQ. Some on this list have passed that subject-object stuff long, long ago...as certainly dmb and Arlo, Ron and Dan are trying to make clear. ( of course I have missed people...that is the intellectual level for ya).
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