[MD] Able to change well.

Mon Sep 6 06:18:01 PDT 2010

On Sep 6, 2010, at 8:38 AM, X Acto wrote:

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> Ron:
>> I mean, why not just believe in god if you want to believe
>> in something that can't be understood?
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> Marsha:
> No one is asking you to participate in magical thinking, 
> or to believe in any kind of independent deity.  I think Bo 
> tries to be very rational in his explanation, but he is bound 
> to fail for those who demand 'real' rationality. 
> 
> You may be very satisfied with "expanded rationality",
> but leave the door open for greater possibilities, or at 
> least leave the door open for those who wish more for 
> you.  
> 
> Ron:
> I thank you for that sentiment and I do try, in fact I respect an answer
> like that. It was an excellent explanation. 

Ron,

You're being kind now, but this afternoon I am liable to write 
something that makes me sound like an animated unicorn 
and you'll be on my case again.  

Love you!

Marsha

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>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 2:36:15 PM
>> Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well.
>> 
>> Ron,
>> 
>> And do you want the "honest explanation" presented 
>> within the boundaries of Aristotelian logic?  Can I say 
>> it has been deeply intuited as such, that it came to me 
>> as a bolt of lightening? Or it creates for me the greatest 
>> harmony?  Can I say having had unpatterned experiences
>> has convinced me that there is a quality experience which 
>> is a knowing above all static levels?  An experience that 
>> come to know all static patterns as temporary events.  
>> 
>> Some kinds of knowledge is not easily converted into words...  
>> I believe this is why the MoQ is so difficult.  How do you try to 
>> explain in patterns that which is beyond all static patterns?  
>> 
>> So what kind of an "honest explanation" would satisfy you?  
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>> 
>> Marsha
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>> On Sep 5, 2010, at 2:11 PM, X Acto wrote:
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>>> Marsha,
>>> I agree, The problem I think is calling one true and one false.
>>> but that is a failing of the interpretive factor, now  a dialog
>>> on what makes one or the other better or more valuable
>>> would bring us all closer to a richer understanding of both,
>>> But as far as I have been able to coax from Bo, this is
>>> not his interest, it's the either/or all or nothin kind of
>>> endeavor.
>>> 
>>> Believe me, all I ever wanted was a honost explanation of why
>>> it's better.
>>> "It just is" , never has worked for me, when I was a kid or now.
>>> 
>>> -Ron
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: MarshaV <valkyr at att.net>
>>> To: moq_discuss at moqtalk.org
>>> Sent: Sun, September 5, 2010 1:41:26 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [MD] Able to change well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 5, 2010, at 1:26 PM, X Acto wrote:
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>>>> @ Lila has just been published. A metaphysics is delineated. A question may be 
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>>>> asked, how does SOM, which did all that good work in Zen and... fit in?
>>>> It's a legitimate question.
>>>> Bodvar feels there has been a cop out and the fruits of Zen and... are left 
>>>> rotting on the vine.
>>>> He feels SOM did great things and now it's been dissolved. This seems like an 
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>>>> injustice doesn't it?
>>>> SODV attempts to indicate that SOM is alive and well.
>>>> Bodvar thinks Robert Pirsig is playing slippery eel. He knows he's wrong but he 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> won't admit it and make himself look inferior to Bodvar.
>>>> Now it's personal. It's about integrity. Here's one: It's Phaedrus who's been 
>> 
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>>>> betrayed. Robert Pirsig has done the dirty and is getting away with it.
>>>> Bodvar IS Phaedrus now and he's not going to allow it. He'll show 'em.
>>>> But no one is backing him up. No one understands. They are all cowards and 
>>>> cheats. It's not persecution, they really aren't up to it.
>>>> This town ain't big enough for two metaphysics. There's a gonna be a 
>> showdown.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ron:
>>>> It's a legitimate "showdown" thats been requested from Bodvar but all he's ever 
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>>>> been able to muster
>>>> is an arguement based in the interpretive factor. Nothing presented from a 
>>>> philosophical perspective
>>>> on it's own merits.
>>>> Lets call a spade a spade and not a shovel, lets place cowardice where it 
>>>> belongs.
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>>> Marsha:  
>>> Why must it be either/or?  Bo should be able to spend the rest of his life on 
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>>> the MD 
>>> 
>>> finding the best words to support his point-of-view.  A point-of-view that I 
>>> too 
>>> 
>>> came 
>>> 
>>> to but from a different direction, and now a point-of-view I share with him.  
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>>> Either/or?
>>> Isn't it about getting beyond needing to declare this or that?  Showdown is a 
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>>> step 
>>> 
>>> backwards.
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